That ship sailed a long time ago. I wont be voting if biden gets the nom. We need somebody who will fight back and reverse the last 3 years. Not reach out with olive branches.
You put nothing of the substance of the bill in the op. You are a bad faith actor.Go fuck yourself I'm a 2016 Bernie supporter come Warren supporter.
That ship sailed a long time ago. I wont be voting if biden gets the nom. We need somebody who will fight back and reverse the last 3 years. Not reach out with olive branches.
That's dumb as fuck because the DSA is not significant at all by any stretch of the imagination to contribute to anyone's win or loss in the general. Let's be real with ourselves. Bad faith actors gonna act in bad faith no matter what anyone does. I agree that calling it the Bernie or Bust resolution is bad optics though.Yes but the name is being used by bad faith actors to preemtively excuse the loss of centrist in the general. That's why the op is phrased the way it is. It's a bad political move for the DSA like I said.
Warren may not be a perfect choice for them but she would move the country closer to the goal.the DSA isn't saying their members shouldn't vote for anyone else but bernie. they're saying they, as a group, won't endorse another candidate besides bernie. which, no shit. they're a political group with a very specific ideology (democratic socialism). they're not going to endorse any old democratic candidate who isn't interested in furthering democratic socialism. why should they.
By that logic not fighting tooth and nail against a bunch of fascists is good for Democratic Socialism? Is this the 2010s version of "surely the proletariat will demand Communism!"that's certainly a thing their individual members should do! but that still has absolutely nothing to do with whether an organization specifically about furthering democratic socialism should endorse a candidate who is not a democratic socialist.
That ship sailed a long time ago. I wont be voting if biden gets the nom. We need somebody who will fight back and reverse the last 3 years. Not reach out with olive branches.
If you're not against a bunch of fascists no matter the circumstances you're with them.You put nothing of the substance of the bill in the op. You are a bad faith actor.
But they are against fascists.
You know who else refused to commit to endorse her Democratic opponent in the general election? Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.
"privileged" nice argument buddy. Trump is a shit fuck yes but what good is having somebody who will work with the gop after what we have seen the last 10 years? We see it happening right now today with democrats only wanting to make tweets of concern but not do what they were elected for. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.What a privileged thing to say. Some people won't make it another 4 years under Trump but your privileged ass wants to make another pointless line in the stand. Fuck off asshole.
Then you are no different from a Trump supporter in my eyes. I'm voting for whoever gets the fucking nomination.That ship sailed a long time ago. I wont be voting if biden gets the nom. We need somebody who will fight back and reverse the last 3 years. Not reach out with olive branches.
Again I dont see the point of your thread. We should get mad that a democratic socialist group will not endorse someone who isnt democratic socalist. No where do they say not to vote the just wont endorse them
imagine thinking that being super against fascism makes you an ally of the fascists 🤔
This guy gets itpersonally I would see Biden getting the Nom as the democrats accepting that the centre has shifted to the right. it will be by proxy endorsing some of the things the trump administration has done and personally thats not something i would be comfortable voting for either (uk here tho so i dont have any influence anyway)
There's more to fighting fascism than just voting them out. Jesus Christ.
You have no right to complain about trump ever again then.Tbf no point in voting if someone like biden gets the nom (more conceding to the gop) But warren? Shes like one of the best available.
That ship sailed a long time ago. I wont be voting if biden gets the nom.
There's more to fighting fascism than just voting them out. Jesus Christ.
"privileged" nice argument buddy. Trump is a shit fuck yes but what good is having somebody who will work with the gop after what we have seen the last 10 years? We see it happening right now today with democrats only wanting to make tweets of concern but not do what they were elected for. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.
Yup how many people here have gone out and disrupted ICE raids? How many have gone out amd shut down local right wing groups in the streets? How many have gotten dirty and bloody actually taking action? I have and a have been for years along with my riding group. But hey im as bad as a trump supporter because i dont want to vote for somebody who will work with the gop. Some of you have lost the pictureThere's more to fighting fascism than just voting them out. Jesus Christ.
Might be overestimating there. It's unbelievable how any democrat could still opt to not vote against trump.
They know exactly what they're doing, this thread is just an excuse to do "You lefties are gonna get us Trump again!" shitposting as if we haven't heard enough of it these past 3 years.Holy shit, some of yall are wild.
Why would a demsoc org endorse someone who is not a demsoc.
Electoral politics is where a lot of people's idea of changing things begins and ends. It's depressing but at least there's still people out here trying to do more.Yup how many people here have gone out and disrupted ICE raids? How many have gone out amd shut down local right wing groups in the streets? How many have gotten dirty and bloody actually taking action? I have and a have been for years along with my riding group. But hey im as bad as a trump supporter because i dont want to vote for somebody who will work with the gop. Some of you have lost the picture
Holy shit, some of yall are wild.
Why would a demsoc org endorse someone who is not a demsoc.
Thread title is a complete mischaracterization.
They know exactly what they're doing, this thread is just an excuse to do "You lefties are gonna get us Trump again!" shitposting as if we haven't heard enough of it these past 3 years.
What ? No. In what world did bernie bro not voting cost Clinton the election? Cause it wasnt in oursNo one is talking about or cares who the DSA endorses. We're talking about the losers in this thread claiming they won't vote if Bernie doesn't get the nom, which is exactly how Trump won in 2016.
I don't like the idea of staying home either but wouldn't this problem be fixed if Democrats nominated someone people actually liked instead forcing people to pick a "lesser evil"?No one is saying that. Read the thread. We're talking about staying home because you don't get your way instead of voting for the "lesser evil".
Yup. DSA members have been putting their bodies on the line to fight fascism.Yup how many people here have gone out and disrupted ICE raids? How many have gone out amd shut down local right wing groups in the streets? How many have gotten dirty and bloody actually taking action? I have and a have been for years along with my riding group. But hey im as bad as a trump supporter because i dont want to vote for somebody who will work with the gop. Some of you have lost the picture
How can you be a democratic socialist? Are those two intrinsically opposed? Even following the principles of the party (from what I could read online) the distribution of what is publicly and then governmentally owned sounds like a fucking Orwellian nightmare.
I'm not trying to shitpost. I'm genuinely curious if someone can explain this to me.
No one is talking about or cares who the DSA endorses. We're talking about the losers in this thread claiming they won't vote if Bernie doesn't get the nom, which is exactly how Trump won in 2016.
No one?! The demsoc resolution at their convention is literally the premise of the OP and people in this thread are mischaracterizing dsa not endorsing a candidate to mean their individual members will proactively choose not to vote.No one is talking about or cares who the DSA endorses. We're talking about the losers in this thread claiming they won't vote if Bernie doesn't get the nom, which is exactly how Trump won in 2016.
What ? No. In what world did bernie bro not voting cost Clinton the election? Cause it wasnt in ours
Yup. DSA members have been putting their bodies on the line to fight fascism.