For the record, I obviously agree with this.
It isn't complicated.
Every course of action has operational constraints and limiting factors, and right now, that's a GOP Senate (which will hopefully change) and the preferences of Dem voters.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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It isn't complicated.
Every course of action has operational constraints and limiting factors, and right now, that's a GOP Senate (which will hopefully change) and the preferences of Dem voters.
FInally catching up, gg Bernie ! That said though, Liz is really in trouble isn't she? It sure feels like it :/
Honestly, Pete's performance in Iowa doesn't surprise me. His rise was documented in the polls, he just faded up until now, but with second choices moving around in Iowa and caucuses being a cluster... Well, I thought that Bernie was likely to perform like this too.
Also, I feel like he'd do well in NH as well. With MOE he might even win. If he wins NH I think we're gonna end up with Biden or a contested convention. If Bernie wins NH decisively (5+ %) he has a good chance at the nom.
The real wrench is what happens when klobs, Warren and the others drop. Cause Warren's voters were going to Buttigieg in the caucuses.
Also, I feel like he'd do well in NH as well. With MOE he might even win. If he wins NH I think we're gonna end up with Biden or a contested convention. If Bernie wins NH decisively (5+ %) he has a good chance at the nom.
The real wrench is what happens when klobs, Warren and the others drop. Cause Warren's voters were going to Buttigieg in the caucuses.
Remember folks Suffix also got Iowa really wrong so we shall see if there methodology pans out here or is wrong in NH
Yup
Her supporters who give up on her are probably gonna go 50/50 for Pete and Bernie
What are you even talking about? I would never recommend someone vote for Trump over dem. Stop talking to me.
Pete ranked third among LGBT voters in Iowa, how the hell is someone like that gonna get majority POC support when it's already among the worst of the current candidates?
You can't just make Pete the likeable unity candidate. He is not that. The fact that the moderate vote is being split so heavily shows that maybe it isn't as appealing as it used to be. No, the circumstances for a strong left candidate like Bernie are not ideal. But are you really gonna say the same thing for the moderate lane right now?
I guess I missed Allie X when she happened, but Spotify recommended her and this song specifically after I subscribed to the Sad Bops playlist, and I think it was a good recommendation.
It reminds me of King Princess's Hit The Back.
Obvi they're kind of different because Allie X's Downtown is this song about being so pathetically in love with someone, whereas King Princess's Hit The Back is like, a Horny Bottom Anthem (her words not mine)
Pete is on a crazy high, but he also seemed to be all in on Iowa. Hopefully the buzz dies down and his surge is temporary. I don't think he's gunna get far unless he significantly increases his support with PoC and definitely with black people. But his sudden boost has definitely been impressive and shaken people pretty hard.
All that being said, It's hard for me to imagine him not getting smashed by Trump. I think debates themselves would work against Pete in a more significant way because of his age, inexperience and cooler/timid/reasonable temperament. Trump is a master of throwing shit at a wall and I really don't see him being ready for that kind of fuckery.
I can definitely see the narrative of "he's not ready to be commander in chief" general argument play out, even if (lol) Trump is the one pushing it.
All that being said, It's hard for me to imagine him not getting smashed by Trump. I think debates themselves would work against Pete in a more significant way because of his age, inexperience and cooler/timid/reasonable temperament. Trump is a master of throwing shit at a wall and I really don't see him being ready for that kind of fuckery.
I can definitely see the narrative of "he's not ready to be commander in chief" general argument play out, even if (lol) Trump is the one pushing it.
Not voting is the same thing.
I don't think you understand why people are coming at you.
you said that Pete/Biden is just voting to keep the Status Quo.
that's false.
The status is as quo: WE HAVE A FAR RIGHT WHITE SUPREMACIST AS PRESIDENT AND AN ENTIRE PARTY THAT SUPPORTS HIM AS HE DESTROYS OUR COUNTRY AND CONSTITUTION.
Meanwhile, us democrats argue whether we should have healthcare for all, or for all those who want it.
It pretty much clinches it for anyone. I'm convinced that he could endorse Klobluchar and she would win.
For some folks, maybe. But that's not happening.
It's also pretty obvious that Joe's running out of a sense of obligation rather than passion.
When did I say stop voting? I didn't. If there is a Dem to vote for, do it. Also yeah, fuck Pete and Biden.
I'm starting to think Bernie losing to Trump would irrevocably shatter the Democratic Party. Guess it's all or nothing these days.
Trump has changed everything, IMO. Nobody even close to as radical as him had ever gotten anywhere near the White House prior to 2016, either.
This may seem a ridiculous analogy, but remember the end of Batman Begins, when Gordon hands Batman the Joker card and says, "What about escalation? You put on a mask and go jumping off rooftops, now there's this guy." Take a look at what happened in the House in 2018 with progressive women of color. Look at what a rock star AOC has become. Look at the ardent base of grassroots support Bernie has built.
He'll have to take the party by force like Trump did with the GOP. He'll have to speak directly to the working class in the rust belt like Trump did in 2016. He'll need a top-notch digital strategy for the general- but he can do it.
As for the socialist label- that's going to get pinned on the Dem nominee no matter who it is. They've been beating that drum since 2008.
It wouldn't but it would kill the left for a decade or more. A contested convention would kill the dems though.
anyone losing to trump again would have significant ramifications on the democratic party going forward
This needs to happen,
Before this can happen,
A good belt-whipping in the election booth is the only way the brocialists will learn.
Obama isn't endorsing anyone until they get nominated.
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Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President
Less than half of Americans (47%) say they would vote for a qualified presidential candidate who is a socialist -- the same percentage Gallup found in 2015.
news.gallup.com
76 percent of Americans would consider voting for a gay man
46 percent for a socialist
Pete faces (perhaps not insurmountable) challenges because of his sexual identity if he makes it to the general election
Don't be coy.
So are you arguing for accelerationism... in favor of moderate liberalism? Walk me through this one, please.
If we assume that any Democrat nominee will win if we go vote, why is it that if it's Bernie, then we can't? Is it because some will sit out of their favored candidate doesn't get nominated?
Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President
Less than half of Americans (47%) say they would vote for a qualified presidential candidate who is a socialist -- the same percentage Gallup found in 2015.
76 percent of Americans would consider voting for a gay man
46 percent for a socialist
Ok and whats going to happen when GOP labels Buttigieg as a socialist gay man?
Young. Well spoken. Energetic. Not socialist. That's enough for a lot of people.
Ok, this is literally as bad as someone saying you shouldn't have voted in the 08 primary for Obama just because he's a black guy and the country isn't ready for that. With that attitude, we will never move forward. I'm fine with people who don't support him on policy or experience grounds, but this is a BS way to attack his candidacy.
Also the DNC has not had anything to do with this election - this is the IDP's mess.
The democratic socialist movement should prioritize: House, Senate, and State Government positions before even thinking it has a shot at the presidency.
Yea, Bernie has a lot of loud support, but it's just not more than half of democrats. Not yet.
Let me know when someone like AOC can run in ANY blue district in this country and win.
2018 showed us it's not true yet.
Yea, Bernie has a lot of loud support, but it's just not more than half of democrats. Not yet.
Let me know when someone like AOC can run in ANY blue district in this country and win.
2018 showed us it's not true yet.
Then what are you arguing other than a snide attack at "brocialists" along with implicating me in the process?
Is that before or after his time as a bread price mixer comes up
Yeah, I could see this becoming a Bernie / Pete race as soon as next week. Better than Bernie / Biden, I guess.
It's objectively true that some will sit out if their favored candidate doesn't get nominated.
I don't know if it's possible to gauge the raw numbers of Bernie or Bust folks vs. (idk) It's Klobberin' Time folks, because the former is Very Online and the latter is, well, not.
I don't know if there's any data that shed light on whether any other candidate is verboten if the #1 choice doesn't make it.
Every million spent on Bernies run could've funded another socialist in government
y'all can't put all your chips on one man.
y'all can't put all your chips on one man.
Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President
Less than half of Americans (47%) say they would vote for a qualified presidential candidate who is a socialist -- the same percentage Gallup found in 2015.
76 percent of Americans would consider voting for a gay man
46 percent for a socialist
How about a gay socialist? Because that's what Pete will be seen as once the GOP gets their hands on him.
Less Than Half in U.S. Would Vote for a Socialist for President
Less than half of Americans (47%) say they would vote for a qualified presidential candidate who is a socialist -- the same percentage Gallup found in 2015.
76 percent of Americans would consider voting for a gay man
46 percent for a socialist
Seems sort of sad really. People are more willing to vote on someones sexual orientation over their policies.
If all you say is true- Pete should cruise to the nomination anyway. Not sure what you're wasting your time talking to us for.
I'm not going to not vote for the candidate I believe in the most because the circumstances for him getting in aren't ideal. I'm tired of waiting. Bernie is who I am voting for in the primary. I will still vote in the general, so don't worry about me being a Buster.
I have an obsession with beating trump, the most dangerous man to ever hold the office, and I don't want a nationally unpopular economic ideology to be the horse we ride into battle on.
trump should be at a 25 percent approval rating right now.
he's not.
he's at 45 percent.
after three years of his bull shit this country has showed us one thing: its people are worst than we thought.
we can't take a chance.
we just have to win.
I'm not really arguing. I'm suggesting a brighter alternative. I'm saying one benefit to getting creamed with a Bernie candidacy, in response to and in context of the post I quoted - which was bleak by the way, is perhaps more restraint and coalition building from the chapo kids, whose babyfaced arrogance will be be adorned with crow's feet and resign eight years after 2016. That said, I'm voting for Sanders and I hope he wins.
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