True, but there are some shitty ass democrats out there too. If its a razor thing election like last time, that could cost him (and the whole fucking country).
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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This is nonsensical.
By definition, whoever wins the primary is not "hated by the core base of the Democratic Party"
What can Trump attack a gay Catholic over? The homophobic campaign rally one-liners practically write themselves.
Historic candidacy.
Only good speaker in the primary other than Booker (RIP)
Platform aligns with median Dems
Does literally any interview that is requested.
Age aside I'm supposed to be his demo and I don't get it.
Maybe being his general age makes me see him less as the grandson old people wish they had and more for the inexperienced striver he is?
Warrens is almost certainly out after NH, Biden by all accounts is struggling in finances for his campaign. Pete isn't a lock by any means but his path to the nomination has drastically improved. He can absolutely win this.
I think being gay is more popular than being socialist in this country.
against the rambling, incoherent fool in the white house?
because why?
This is something that's often brought up as a valid criticism of Buttigieg but at least in Iowa, Pete's share of the minority vote was higher than both Warren and Biden - Bernie took the lion share of it. Obviously Iowa doesn't have a very high minority population but it's a reason to be optimistic for the candidate's appeal with POC as he continues to undermine the electability argument from Biden. I expect his share of the minority vote to rise if he does well in NH and Biden continues to crater.
We'll see in the coming weeks.
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Oh. No clue what you're talking about. I never said that people shouldn't vote for a dem agaisnt Trump.
Absolutely, 1000% not. The middle of this country is full of religious white & black democrats whose tolerance for a homosexual candidate will only go so far. And its exactly there where he needs to win to gain the Presidency. Pennsylvania, Minnesota - states that went red in 16, that do have religious communities in rural areas, who can flip between voting D & R, and often have, and all they need is a reason to stay home on GE day.
And to be clear - Bernie absolutely has his own issues he'll have to overcome. Florida is basically not attainable with Bernie on the ballot. But any campaign relying on Florida at this point, moderate or liberal, is crazy anyway. But at least Bernie's populist message can reach those voters in areas we need in order to win the Presidency. Pete doesn't have the political position, is far too inexperienced, lacks the support of the black & latino community, and is the first openly gay presidential candidate - a concept that is simply untested on the national stage.
His entire resume is being a small time mayor. Like, the attack ads write themselves.
i dont really see much of a path either regardless of how well he might perform in the lily white states.
I'm happy to see that Bernie has such passionate support but the most terrifying outcome of this whole thing is him being the nominee. Have we ever had a far-left presidential candidate actually be viable and win over independents/moderate conservatives? Far right has proved to be electable in this country but not necessarily the other side.
Between a healthy economy and the "socialism" boogyman in this country, I fear another Trump term >_<
Between a healthy economy and the "socialism" boogyman in this country, I fear another Trump term >_<
Do you know who your current President is, and what his resume is?
I'm willing to bet that there are plenty of gay people who would beg to differ.
Republicans being hypocrites? Say it ain't so. Not to mention that technically Trump's resume in 2020 will include him being President for 4 years.
Well, let me turn that around.
If Bernie's the nominee, that just means it's your job (and my job, because Bernie is absolutely not my first choice) to convince persuadable folks he's better than Trump.
To be honest, there is no perfect option.
Barack Obama is not walking through that door.
Fact is, Bernie is the type of candidate you have to be ALL IN for, and I don't think you're gonna do that with the democratic electorate.
people just want to show up and vote every 4 years andnot think about government or politics.
that's why the moderate lane is appealing.
bernies ceiling is that 45-50 percent of Democrats, (and apparently it's don't to 30 percent this time around)
A moderate candidate is way more capable of going from 30 percent to 70 percent, and that's what's gonna happen.
it coulda been warren, Beto, Harris, or booker, but they miscalculated.
so it's gonna be mayo Pete.
And I'm fine with that.
I don't want another divisive presidency. Bernie would face NONSTOP bullshit daily.
people just want to show up and vote every 4 years andnot think about government or politics.
that's why the moderate lane is appealing.
bernies ceiling is that 45-50 percent of Democrats, (and apparently it's don't to 30 percent this time around)
A moderate candidate is way more capable of going from 30 percent to 70 percent, and that's what's gonna happen.
it coulda been warren, Beto, Harris, or booker, but they miscalculated.
so it's gonna be mayo Pete.
And I'm fine with that.
I don't want another divisive presidency. Bernie would face NONSTOP bullshit daily.
Actually many of them are. They present no progress. I don't give a shit if they are more progressive that Obama or Clinton. That shit has not been working.
Tulsi has billboards all over there,. I'm always d
Shocked when I drive by
Then the democratic voter base should put up someone who can win. But the party is simply too divided on what it wants - the far left want more social programs and to stick it to the corporations, the moderates believe they can still work with the GOP (LOL) all while maintain corporate interests. And the voters seem to want Bernie's populist policies - they all poll extremely will across both parties - the only issue is that Bernie wears the socialist label with pride.
Biden, Klob, and Bloomberg are all there, happily waiting for votes if people want a safe, moderate candidate with the largest likelihoods to win. And yet, increasingly, it doesn't seem like any of them (except Biden - and even that is seeming to collapse by the minute) have the support or polls necessary to run away with this thing.
Capitalism demands that you get the most eyes on your website/TV channel/newspaper lest you lose ad dollars. And exaggeration, hyperbole, and general clickbait horse race bullshit gets those views.
Capitalism straight up poisons democracy.
NH isn't a caucus. I don't think "viability" is a thing here.
I doubt Bernie's campaign asks for it. All the other ones wouldn't gain anything from it. It was such a cluster that I think anyone paying attention knows the story behind it and don't really care because they just see it as a tie. If this all happened caucus night it would be a different story.
You understand that it's not 2016 right?
trump has pushed us so far back that almost anything is progressive.
Please God let's get to some states with actual diversity so we can put Pete Buttigieg behind us.
The problem with this logic is that news channels will still want views even if they weren't after profit motive. If hyperbole gets more people to actually seek information, then hyperbole will be used to get their attention.
lol well i mean trump being elected in the first place was the death knell for many
Not from Trump - a reality show host, the public had no problem voting his sorry ass in.
do we have better numbers for this than the entrance polls?
as of the last numbers that I saw, this was not actually true - it might have changed, I can't find better ones than these:
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You understand we are not currently living through a moderate Presidency right?
like, you get that?
You understand we are not currently living through a moderate Presidency right?
like, you get that?
If I have to tell you why candidates to the left of Obama are better than a fascist white supremacist then idek
If accelerationism worked in America then Trump would be completely 100% fucked for 2020. He isn't so it doesn't. This isn't some complex formula.
On the national stage:
Good for Pete:
White
Christian
Young
Military
Bad for Pete:
Gay
Elitist
Good for Bernie:
White
Working class (Share-a-beer-with-him-ability)
Angry
Bad for Bernie:
"Socialism"
Taxes
Old
??? for Bernie:
Jewish
One week ago I didn't think I'd be comparing them like this but we live in interesting times.
Good for Pete:
White
Christian
Young
Military
Bad for Pete:
Gay
Elitist
Good for Bernie:
White
Working class (Share-a-beer-with-him-ability)
Angry
Bad for Bernie:
"Socialism"
Taxes
Old
??? for Bernie:
Jewish
One week ago I didn't think I'd be comparing them like this but we live in interesting times.
Well, sure, and we'll do our best, but my hope is that the candidate in question can be persuasive as well. Bernie has had four years to sell his vision to his own party and he's having trouble beyond his fandom, which hasn't really grown much since 2016 mind you.
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