We're going to nominate a man despised by African-Americans, millennials, and Hispanics. Just what we need to drive out turnout. But a 73 year old white boomer thinks he's a nice, young man.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Or objective evidence, for that matter.
But it's still primary season. Let people advocate strongly for their preferred candidate now. I've already resolved simply to ignore Bernie or Busters or -- I don't know -- Biden or Busters (I guess that's Jill and Hunter, so there's two?) after the nomination. I'd rather spend my energy talking to people who aren't entrenched and donate to whoever the nominee is (and yes, that includes Bernie and Biden).
"And among voters over 65, a core source of Biden backers, Buttigieg has doubled his support overnight, a 16 point jump.
The Buttigieg surge shows up dramatically in the numbers from Hillsborough County, the state's largest, home to Manchester and Nashua, the type of urban/suburban mix where Democrats will have to run up the score in November. On Thursday night, Buttigieg was pulling 27 percent there, a stunning 19 point increase since Monday."
Biden voters jumping ship
The Buttigieg surge shows up dramatically in the numbers from Hillsborough County, the state's largest, home to Manchester and Nashua, the type of urban/suburban mix where Democrats will have to run up the score in November. On Thursday night, Buttigieg was pulling 27 percent there, a stunning 19 point increase since Monday."
Biden voters jumping ship
I keep seeing the idea that Pete can just magically start getting POC votes which seems insane to me. He's not going to suddenly be more agreeable to them just because he's the perceived establishment frontrunner. He has to earn them. Democrats are never guaranteed the minority vote by simply being Democrat.
I agree that the random British tweeter probably should shut the fuck up about what Americans should do, and how it's incredibly stupid for her to advocate people not vote so that Republicans can maintain their current status quo.
Yeah, it's sad. We are truly in a post-fact world. The desire for ignorance is what makes me despair the most.
"In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. [...] under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness."
"What makes it possible for a totalitarian or any other dictatorship to rule is that people are not informed; how can you have an opinion if you are not informed? If everybody always lies to you, the consequence is not that you believe the lies, but rather that nobody believes anything any longer."
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But what if it comes down to him vs Bernie?
i understand Bernie has huge minority support, but does he have over 50 percent of it?
This. Turnout would be a disaster unless he somehow picks someone who can make minorities turn up.
Yeah there's no way the DNC is letting Sanders walk away with the nom unless he wins majorly across the board.
perhaps they will simply abstain from voting so as to not be party to supporting the status quo
Why?
What can trump attack him on?
Pete is starting to look like a very viable candidate.
He basically took Beto's malfunctioning Obama Speech AI and tweaked it to be dumber.
If Bernie isnt the nominee let fascism take complete hold us and that will somehow get us closer to what we really want.
If Pete manages to beat Bernie or broker this convention, then we deserve Trump.
Trump is a very particular brand of crazy person, and you need someone with the fire or personality to counter him. I think Bernie can. Biden circa 2012 could do it.
I do not think Pete can do it, and I strongly question the people who suddenly seem to think he can.
Trump is a very particular brand of crazy person, and you need someone with the fire or personality to counter him. I think Bernie can. Biden circa 2012 could do it.
I do not think Pete can do it, and I strongly question the people who suddenly seem to think he can.
Why would the guy with much worse support among minorities suddenly balloon up past the candidate with better minority support?
Pete is not the future of this party and he will guarantee record low turnout.
He's not. And I say this as a late stage Pete supporter who's donated to his campaign.
He has limited experience and zero support among minorities. The major reason I've veered away from Pete (who I still rep as VA Secretary or something) is because I want the next POTUS to enjoy support from all Americans, not just white people like me.
Bernie still does well with hispanic voters, and black voters will likely split their vote with others like Bloomberg and I believe Steyer who polls well with black voters if I remember correctly. Pete will have to pray the older vote coalesces around him only, and doesn't split. It's his only real shot in states that aren't super white. The large number of potential moderate people hurts Pete.
Apparently Pete is not pulling voters from Sanders, rather from Biden and Warren. If Biden and Warren collapse Pete will be the 20 nominee.
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The last people to do this en masse to the Dems in the 70s/80s just turned into Republicans.
The fact that social media lets so many people just go find people who tell them what they want to hear is a huge problem.
Long way to go before you can even make a proclamation like this. If he doesn't improve his minority support he still has no chance.
I don't know why everyone is suddenly proclaiming pete as some unstoppable force now, he barely won Iowa, a state where he put the vast majority of his resourses. Honeslty, warren is pulling some of Sander's support and Biden is pulling some of Pete's, but I wouldnt be surprised to see pete on the very bottom of the 4 come the end of the election.
I don't mean it as conspiracy theory, I mean that Bernie Sanders is a left-wing independent that does not reflect the DNC's viewpoints. They will be pleased with any opportunity to have no clear winner. I don't think they were meddling with Iowa or any of that is calculated, but I do know they're hoping Buttigieg pulls through.
Wouldn't be surprised if black people over 50 jumped from Joe to Pete. They might not like Pete that much but like most old people, they hate socialism.
I think the voters who that would matter to are mostly already republicans tho
Pete isnt moving people to the polls in the general. His AA support is nonexistant. And as sad as it is Homophobia will cost us the election. That woman in Iowa that wanted to take her vote back after learning he was Gay, she has clones on every block in America.
it's fine, this time things'll get so bad that there'll be a huge leftist wave.
(oops, every piece of leftist legislation gets challenged in court and struck down!)
if debates mattered at all i'd actually be a little worried about it because i think pete can do the "i'm staying calm and collected, therefore i am Reasonable And Correct" act better than literally anyone else in the race
edit: unless you're talking about the general election debates instead of the primary debates
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I still don't get why Buttigieg is a thing.
He's the mayor of a small college town for fucks sake.
What am I missing.
Bloomberg could've been the mayor of midtown Manhattan only and it'd be 100x more impressive.
He's the mayor of a small college town for fucks sake.
What am I missing.
Bloomberg could've been the mayor of midtown Manhattan only and it'd be 100x more impressive.
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Look - propping up Pete is *not* going to go well in the GE. Its fairly clear that the DNC is fucking with tallies and is now pushing their donor class to support him because of Biden's supposed collapse. Thats fine.
But Trump & co. haven't even *begun* to start hammering Pete on his homosexuality. I don't care - i'd vote for him. But there is a large contingent of religious voters across the racial spectrum that can vote Democrat that simply will not do it for him.
That video of a woman asking for her vote back in Iowa after she found out he was gay? That is going to happen in droves. And having a gay man on the ballot is going to energize the Bible belt in ways we can't even imagine. This country is on the brink of political collapse and conspiratorial insanity after its first black president. If you think Trump won't hammer him on that, and that the religious base in the country won't use it as a rallying cry against him, then you have another thing coming.
If you ignore current reality then sure there's a chance they go from Joe to Pete. Have people actually followed Pete and his support among black voters? At one point he was literally polling at 0%.
There's a specific delegate threshold Bernie needs to reach to be the winner of the primaries. If he doesn't reach it then we're heading into a brokered convention. These rules are all clearly stated for anyone to look up.
You're insinuating that if Bernie narrowly reaches that threshold then the DNC will go to a brokered convention anyway which is pure conspiratorial lunacy.
What's the over-under on them just not releasing anything further and hoping people kinda forget about it?
Hey well it's a good thing accelerationism worked with Trump winning and that's why Bernie is going to win every single primary state because people finally woke up.
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