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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

Who's Going to Win South Carolina?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 585 39.2%

  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 853 57.2%

  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 24 1.6%

  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 7 0.5%

  • THE KLOBBERER

    Votes: 16 1.1%

  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 6 0.4%
  • Total voters
    1,491
  • Poll closed .
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Kirblar said:
Contrast to Bloomberg, who's committed to keeping his staff through the summer or the election (depends on the specific state) as he is running an anti-Trump campaign first and a presidential campaign second.
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I keep forgetting Bloomberg is even around considering he's not a factor in the whole Iowa situation. Is he still just only focusing on specific states or something?
 

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xenocide said:
I don't imagine any amount of information I present is going to get you to budge, but the simple fact is if we compare the list of Sanders positions to Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020, you could make a strong argument that Clinton was much closer to Sanders platform than several of the candidates this time around. I'd even argue at this point it's closer than everyone except Warren.
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I will say this much: I do agree that for the commonality of the refrain of Clinton being a uniquely terrible nominee she was better than either Biden or Pete are now
 

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xenocide said:
That graph also misrepresents Clinton's positions in a few ways--she was for keeping the ACA and expanding it, with things such as a public option. The minimum wage is currently what, $7.25? I think any increase over $10 will be a massive gain for the working class, and arguing between $12 and $15 isn't as big of a difference as you claim.
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As someone who grew up West Virginia poor, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The difference in $240 a paycheck is massive when you're worrying about keeping the gas and lights on during the winter. How you're going to eat. Getting to and from work. Seeking medical attention, etc.
 
Ziltoidia 9

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Biden would have a Surge if he kept to relating to people like he did last night at the town hall. THAT is the Biden everyone loves.
 
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Draper said:
Man, 538 is seriously giving the Primary to Bernie now
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Yeah and I think they updated the outlook graph for post-Iowa:

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xenocide said:
That graph also misrepresents Clinton's positions in a few ways--she was for keeping the ACA and expanding it, with things such as a public option. The minimum wage is currently what, $7.25? I think any increase over $10 will be a massive gain for the working class, and arguing between $12 and $15 isn't as big of a difference as you claim. The college debate is different approaches to the same thing--Sanders plan is undeniably more ambitious, but Clinton's plan for free community college and vocational training would likely have a similar effect for much cheaper. The Weed thing is a difference, but Sanders actually adapted the idea of rescheduling Marijuana from the Clinton campaign--it's on his Day 1 Executive Orders list. That basically just leaves us with "War" and Glass-Steagall, which was an actual difference through and through. I don't imagine any amount of information I present is going to get you to budge, but the simple fact is if we compare the list of Sanders positions to Clinton in 2016 and Biden in 2020, you could make a strong argument that Clinton was much closer to Sanders platform than several of the candidates this time around. I'd even argue at this point it's closer than everyone except Warren.
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I'm not sure why we have a mega paragraph for something no one has ever argued? Is Clinton closer to Bernie's position than Biden? Yep, probably.

Was Clinton a ****FAR LEFT CANDIDATE****? Hell no, full stop. That's the only thing people have been commenting on in regards to 16 candidates.
 
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Yang was made to look like an utter chump on The Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj.
 
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Madison said:
i was told that rose twitter and the online leftists were a bubble but they just won Iowa so *shrugs*
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I don't think being a prohibitive favorite in polling winning says anything about a bubble one way or another?

Wasnt really meant as a shot across the bowel or anything, just that polling/voting results matter a lot more than online engagement
 
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Ashane said:
Did you miss what we are replying to? That apparently in 2016 Hillary and Bernie were virtually identical candidates. That suddenly Hilary is a far left candidate and not a centrist?
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I'm agreeing with you and that even if you list policies side by side, there's much more to candidates than that. HRC is not left wing.
 
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Colonel Mustard said:
As someone who grew up West Virginia poor, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The difference in $240 a paycheck is massive when you're worrying about keeping the gas and lights on during the winter. How you're going to eat. Getting to and from work. Seeking medical attention, etc.
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As someone who grew up in Vermont poor, I think I have a solid understanding.

The point I'm making, is that criticizing someone for pursuing a quality of life improvement that is a 60% pay increase rather than a 105% pay increase, is missing the forest for the trees. If presented with both options, and both being possible, obviously the higher increase is better. But don't let great be the enemy of good. We're talking about going from $290 (pre-tax) a week for a 40 hr work week to $480 (pre-tax) a week. Yes, it's not $600 that a $15/hr rate would accomplish, but it's a massive improvement in the lives of working class families.
 
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Tom Perez needs to resign regardless of what else happens today. This guy is toxic to party unity. Someone give Howard Dean a call for the love of God.
Prodigal Son said:


too easy folks
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This is gold, Jerry. Like gold, but infused with diamonds.

First it was Trump and now bloomberg. At this rate we'll get secret audio of a drunken Hillary post election begrudgingly admitting Bernie would have whooped Trump in 2016.
Finale Fireworker said:
I decided to drive out to Iowa to get to the bottom of this, but you wouldn't believe what I found when I got there... nothing! Just a huge empty parking lot for miles and miles. I only saw one person: an old woman pushing a shopping cart full of corn. I had to practically beg her to talk to me.

I said "Miss, please, can you help me find Iowa?" Do you know what she said?

She said "Iowa? Why, there hasn't been any Iowa out here in over thirty years."


Just what kind of con are they running?? How deep does it go??
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Damn, this was hilarious and I didn't know how badly I needed a laugh until just now.
Ziltoidia 9 said:
Bernie would pick Steyer over blooms if he picked a billionaire as running mate.
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Definitely, but Bernie would spend all four years still giving poor Steyer the cold shoulder.
shamanick said:


whoever called Perez wanting the recount due to satellite SDEs, come collect your prize
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Georgia governor Brian Kemp would be proud. Fuck those Ethiopian meat packers and hispanics.
spx54 said:
can't wait for the debate tomorrow, Biden is probably going to have a huge meltdown
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Guy better not pop a blood vessel or it's over. Is Bloomberg's attendance confirmed?
 

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makingmusic476 said:
Buttigieg is like Warren in that he has a lot of detailed plans, but unlike Warren his plans all suck.
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Wait ... jesus christ. Punishing people for not getting shitty health insurance. How is it that we keep coming up with policies that both fail to address the issue and then make things worse somehow. This reminds me of the recent California development to block zoning reform or whatever it was
 
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