Her husband is a senior advisor for buttigieg. To make this clear: Her husband's livelihood depends on Pete doing well in the primaries.
edit: To clarify I'm not saying there is a conspiracy, but do you see that there is a conflict of interest?
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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edit: To clarify I'm not saying there is a conspiracy, but do you see that there is a conflict of interest?
this is a joke, not credit takingSome people sure liked taking credit for it though
Yeah that was worse because the Iowa Republican Party announced that Romney had actually won.
This was bad, but it wasn't that bad.
Hopefully biden and pete take each other out and kneecap the others ability to raise money with bloomberg interjecting
This. Iowa doesn't matter anymore. Much in the same way that while it would be nice and is certainly possible, my state, Ohio, is no longer as important or even a swing state anymore. Iowa is not representative of the United States.
We live in a connected world. The days of creating a winner because of two states (Iowa and New Hampshire) are long over.
Candidates have to demonstrate an ability to win everywhere.
No, us scary leftists are clearly singlehandedly responsible for tanking every moderate's campaign. Go us. Viva la revolution.
is a joke
Reading people on twitter saying they refuse to vote for anyone else, so they are writing in Yang makes me nervous.
Seeing a lot of this and "I'll vote for Trump if it's not Yang" on reddit as well. Loud minority. As in, a very small minority. Don't worry!
The association of the app with the Buttigieg campaign is entirely shit and entirely devoid of a conflict of interest on their end though.
The Buttigieg campaign paid for their services months before Iowa hired them for the app. If you want to argue that since Shadow had been hired by Buttigieg (and Biden and Gillibrand) prior to Iowa hiring them is a black mark against the IDP, then sign me up too, pretty much everything the IDP has done has been horrid. But putting any of the blame related to the app on the Buttigieg campaign is inane. There is literally nothing there.
Jimmy, Dems have a distance leftward to go before they could be the Conservative Party in Britain.
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In all fairness, I also do not want to turn into the UK Labor party. Does anybody?
But yeah no I don't think nominating Bernie would do that for a few reasons.
Hasan is an utter idiot and I doubt it was armchair socialists who have killed Kamala etc. but holy shit, do they go hard on anyone that's not Bernie. r/breadtube and r/chapotraphouse went harder on Biden and Kamala than on any right winger.Some people sure liked taking credit for it though
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Imagine if instead of being clumsy and dumb, the Iowa Caucuses were clumsy and dumb and also winner takes all on a precinct by precinct basis
This is the Republican Party version.
*looks at liberal democrats*
I don't think "enlightened centrism" is going to work here either, the UK election result owed so much to Brexit, the voters they needed were the Labour leaver voters who switched over to the Torries to "get Brexit done".
Seeing as how bad the Lib Dems did, the UK election was less about socialism and more about Brexit. Ironically, if Corbyn just stuck to his guns and didn't listen to all the remainers, he would have done much better.
Hope so. I don't know why people get so attached to a candidate before there are nominations. Like the guy sure. But realize he was never in the running, and maybe he will have better luck next time.
if online leftists sending you corn emojis sinks your campaign, you deserve to lose, and shouldn't be anywhere near the general election
I mean, I'd take Corbyn if we didn't have to get the shitty Labour right stabbing him in the back over here.
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I'm just saying, crushed in multiple consecutive elections does not sound great to me. Nor does having to tie myself to a racist act of self immolation to get votes.
Yang voters are as irrelevant as Yang himself is.
It's everyone else, the never-Bernies or never-not-bernies mostly, that could be a problem.
While I'm not sure where it falls exactly between bad look and conflict of interest, I do err on the side of the latter but am absolutely open to a persuasive argument explaining why it *isn't* a conflict of interest! But between the Tara McGowan stuff, her trying to distance herself from Shadow by lying, her husband being Buttigieg's advisor and that he's a customer... together these things would seem to amount to a conflict of interest.
Conceding that does not leave you open to there being a conspiracy here, do not worry. But at minimum it's a good amount of incestuous incompetence that people can improve on
I don't see Bernie doing well in the South. It's ironic how much this depresses me after applauding the same in 2016.
Joe Biden feels like the monster from It Follows. This inevitable, slow and creeping disaster no one else can apparently see coming.
Joe Biden feels like the monster from It Follows. This inevitable, slow and creeping disaster no one else can apparently see coming.
So then Corbyn was right by your criteria?
I feel like Labour critics want it both ways. They want Labour to have promoted the remain position, but they also wanted to win. The Labour "Red Wall" that collapsed was the heavily white, pro-union base of the party that voted heavily for leaving the EU, they wanted Brexit done and in the 2017 election Corbyn did well (better than Milliband and Brown in previous elections who were to his right) when he was going for a soft-Brexit. Combine that with the smear campaign (which by the way has destroyed every recent Labour leader's public image except Tony Blair because he was Rupert Murdoch's pal) and you have a recipe for disaster.
If anything, blame David Cameron for introducing such a poisonous proposal into the country's politics in the first place.
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this makes about a million times more sense than all the conspiracy theories and "uh maybe it wasn't a conspiracy-conspiracy but the party OK'd a sloppy app because they don't like bernie and had nothing to lose by completely fucking up their caucus" galaxy brain takes floating around
No Single Sign On, no end to end encryption, and precinct captions Tweeting out PINs.
Terrific, just terrific.
Anyone that has gone through the last 4 years, more if you include the campaign, and isn't dying to vote for literally anyone but Trump either actually never gave a shit or never developed into an adult. It's so insanely childish.
I would imagine most are white men, as Trump has done his best to alienate every other type of person. And this is coming from a white man.
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This is a good thread, and he's followed by Obama so I'm inclined to think that he's got at least some subject matter knowledge so it's probably not all bullshit. Also lines up with what I've heard a lot of people saying about a big problem with how we as a party run elections: we don't really build stuff between election seasons. Most of that discussion was about organizing and campaigning, but it applying to tech as well - and the incentive structures that creates for election-focused tech firms - makes a lot of sense.
This is all very true but it also all sort of contributes to my original "man I don't want to be Labor" thesis. There's a lot stacked against them, that's a good reason to not want to be them.
Like, I'm not making a value judgement, here.
Yeah that's fair, I was more responding to the general view that Bernie would end up like Labour as promoted by Carville and others.
Interesting that there seems to be a difference in the support from black voters in Iowa vs. the South, where Biden is still heavily favored. Presumably because Bernie campaigned so much in IA while Biden skipped town?
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Nothing official. I wouldn't bet on more news before tomorrow.
I think that the better analogy is that we risk seeing him end up like Carter, a president out of step with his party who doesn't get much done and gets replaced by somebody much worse due to the perceived dysfunction. A lot's changed since Carter, though. Parties are much more polarized, for one.
Absolutely, that's why it's always weird to see the Sanders = Corbyn warning/prophesy.
Yeah. I'm very curious to see how SC plays out. I still don't think him winning is in doubt but if it's even remotely close there's going to be serious questions about his viability
Even in 2016, there was a notable difference in states that weren't in the South. Bernie did significantly better with black voters in Michigan, which might have been what put him over the top there.
Labour was doomed because Brexit was the Civil Rights Act of Britain when it comes to coalition politics - it reminded white racists they were still allied with the cosmopolitan city dwellers and brown people.
Labour was always going to eventually lose that "Red Wall" - because like leftists like to say all the time, "why vote for Republican-lite when you can just vote for the Republican." Same thing - why vote for Corbyn's complicated soft Brexit plan, when you can just vote for Brexit? Sitting in the middle might've worked for Cotbyn in 2017 because the Tories in many ways were just as confused and running the worst campagn possibly in modern political history, but once a smart politician made the election about Brexit, there was nowhere for Labour to go against try to be Remain, but unfortunately Corbyn's personal feelings, geography, etc. screwed them over, along with Corbyn being a bad politician and the UK press being the UK press.
Note this is within the Democratic primary electorate. Not approval numbers or general election numbers.
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