Is this what the Iowa democratic party wanted to see Bernie for so badly last night I wonder?
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Is this what the Iowa democratic party wanted to see Bernie for so badly last night I wonder?
I was musing about this earlier. This might be helpful.
Iowa is treated like a big threshold that can make or break the momentum of candidacy. In the scheme of things Iowa means very little, but this early it can influence perspective a lot.
Twitter is a cesspit of inflammatory rhetoric, personal attacks, and uninformed people pretending to be experts, even when it comes to, like... comic book movies. The fact there are people using it as a "valid" source for political news or current events or anything "real" is tragic.
They should just make a coin flip app! Just like the TSA hired a firm to make an app which randomly flashed an arrow pointing left or right....for $500k!!
Purely speculation at this point, Bernie almost assuredly won both the vote counts but with Pete paraded his SDEs performance but now kinda backing off and Bernie leaving them out... it's probably too close to call there
Not much in terms of delegate count. It's mostly about setting an early narrative and boosting morale.
So...you're saying JEB!/Klobmentum happened last night right?
It also has a great number of verified experts and actual reporters doing great work exposing real news and meaningful content
But yes every source must be considered carefully, on every platform
It can tell donors which candidates are viable and which aren't.
Donors generally don't throw good money after bad.
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So, typically, the primary value of winning in Iowa is in the media narrative around winning in Iowa. It doesn't actually say much about the candidates appeal by itself. The stories can influence later voters and donors about who is and isn't viable.
This time, the media narrative around Iowa is is that the caucuses were a disaster. There's no winner so there's no momentum pieces or stories about surprise upsets or anything else. So unless you're a) a member of the Iowa democratic party or b) a member of one of the campaigns pinning your entire strategy on getting thosepost Iowa stories, this really doesn't effect you at all.
Iowa Starting Line is a small outlet here in the state that is fairly new, but are good people.
Yup. Having to report more detailed numbers is making them expose the errors and discrepancies inherent to this process.
So I'm saying there's a chance...the klobmentum gif is more accurate haha!
this is basically my read of the situation, the sanders campaign seems very certain that they won the popular vote by a pretty comfortable margin (which is likely true, and relatively expected especially considering how poorly biden did) but I think the SDEs are probably close enough that they're not willing to commit to either that message or to the counts they have calculated
(I also feel like them saying "here's how many delegates we deserve" could be perceived pretty poorly, and could cause a lot of controversy if they're wrong once they finish counting - people understand some differences in popular vote, but changes in delegates would likely cause some arguments/accusations)
Sure there's nothing more to add? I assume there was a reason for your post?
And there is nothing to support this melodrama. Let's all please keep it on-topic and avoid conspiracy theories.
Is this snark? Because Pete dug that hole himself. It's not just about the Shadow app thing. It's also because of the way he claimed victory.
There is not?
You mean I did not hear Pete say, repeatedly now, that he won Iowa? I'm sure I was not high, as I don't do drugs, but maybe I was hallucinating.
What he did was disgusting. His campaign had *zero* clue if he won or not. They *only* took numbers for their candidate and none of the others. How in the hell can you claim victory off of that?
#MayorCheat indeed.
At the end of the day its just individual people and when you go down to that level of detail it's just a little sloppy and you are just shitting on a kinda awkward kid. And a single district level delegate isn't going to meaningfully sway the statewide delegate county, in all honesty.
They're apparently raising shit in the conference calls. Deservedly.
Come on now. Acknowledging a trending hashtag in the wake of a huge disorganized episode is mundane. This is not a "conspiracy theory" and Pete's weird Twitter post about going forth victorious is going to make him look like a fool if he finishes anything less than first.
I mean, that depends on how you define victory. There's a reason he left an out for himself
Until these irregularities can be fixed and fair elections can be held, I recognize Ilhan Omar as interim president of Iowa
Yeah, preemptively declaring victory was a rat move. I hope the voters ultimately hold him accountable for that.
Instead of a coin toss I propose were force them to use D&D dice towers to roll for the winner. Odds and evens.
Instead of a coin toss I propose were force them to use D&D dice towers to roll for the winner. Odd and evens.
You can either roll to win the caucus yourself or bring a candidate back from the dead. Choose carefully.
Yeah but people, no one was really listening when he said they were victorious (what ever definitions that mans) and the story is still "Iowa is a shit show".
Here in about 5 hours it is just going to be about the SOTU. Then we get impeachment stuff. It would have been much better for Pete if it was decisively shown LAST NIGHT that he we second. That would have been more victorious because he won't have time to try and build momentum going into NH and try to close the gap. I don't see how Pete is being nefarious at all with this.
Here in about 5 hours it is just going to be about the SOTU. Then we get impeachment stuff. It would have been much better for Pete if it was decisively shown LAST NIGHT that he we second. That would have been more victorious because he won't have time to try and build momentum going into NH and try to close the gap. I don't see how Pete is being nefarious at all with this.
Wouldn't the state need to pass a bill (or maybe even amend the state constitution) to change the primary process? There's not enough time for that.
It was all going swimmingly until, from the darkness a blood curdling cry...
If nefarious, this could be potentially from people who want to cause chaos/disruption to the election. Republicans or foreign interference.
I can also see it as maybe some news agency intern who was hammering the hotlines for some scoop.
so it's looking relatively clear that Bernie won both vote counts - it's really just a matter if he actually won the delegates, as his support may be hyper concentrated.
Pete has backed off the SDE claim a bit, so it's likely going to end up being very close
Pete has backed off the SDE claim a bit, so it's likely going to end up being very close
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