No, they only had his own numbers in no relation to the other candidates. Pete's team claimed to have 25% of the final vote, which matches the numbers from Bernies camp
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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No, they only had his own numbers in no relation to the other candidates. Pete's team claimed to have 25% of the final vote, which matches the numbers from Bernies camp
Quoting myself from poliera:
We likely never had "accurate" numbers from an Iowa caucus. There were Iowa caucus problems in elections past. It's not a new or sudden thing. Really. Accuracy and integrity confirmation of the process was never really challenged until this year.
We likely never had "accurate" numbers from an Iowa caucus. There were Iowa caucus problems in elections past. It's not a new or sudden thing. Really. Accuracy and integrity confirmation of the process was never really challenged until this year.
A billionaire influencing an election in response to a problem caused by billionaires trying to influence an election is just the kind of intervention I never knew I needed. Thanks, Bloomberg!
Truly, the political parties structures are rotten from the inside out and this is surely not a singular case of the US. Probably is mostly like that around the world.
I think it's just he caught the coin oddly in his hand, then does a super awkward obligatory flip onto the other. Looks like he was surrounded by the other campaign caucus chairs so anyone who had a problem there could have probably raised an objection if they wanted.
Can someone photoshop that scene of Shadow kicking Silver in the back of the head, but instead of Silver it is the state of Iowa?
....is the guy who tweeted that forgetting that neither of them have close to 100% of precincts reporting orrr
Yeah, even with recent memory, the 2012 Republican side was fucked, and even in the 1976 caucuses that led to Carter's nomination and the importance of the caucuses growing, Uncommitted/Other or whatever the category was technically "won".
Caucuses are almost always really stupid, but people didn't pay as much attention to them back in the day.
These are pretty selective stats. They probably should've held on to the results. But I don't blame them coming out considering Buttigieg was claiming victory until like an hour ago.
this is the problem with buttigieg's numbers, which is so glaring that I frankly find it bizarre that they decided they were good enough to use
if all you have are your candidate's numbers, and you have some assumptions about what numbers you need to hit in order to win, you're making a lot of fucking assumptions here. if you hit your marks and you predict a 1pt victory over sanders, but sanders overperforms by 3pts, you lose! and how do they know this isn't the case? they don't! they have absolutely no idea! their model might be wrong! they literally cannot show that it isn't!
like, if they don't have a full breakdown of every candidate's numbers, it's fucking appalling that they chose to declare victory (and let's not entertain for a second that the boo-urns defense is anything other than total horseshit). completely divorced from if they did win or not, because we still don't know (they might have! who can say?), this is incredibly stupid.
I hope Bernie did win because them releasing their numbers will just lead to more conspiracy theories if it turns out Pete won
They were recording results at my precinct where Bernie got 1 of 5 delegates. So I would think they spread themselves pretty well.
Doesn't matter.
In a world where people are out to spin your processes as corrupt, if you are a campaign caucus chair you should be demanding this type of thing be done properly.
Coins are flipped regularly in high stakes games (Football, Magic tourneys, etc...) and none of them would have accepted this. This is yet another example of dems desperately needing to get their shit together, but being unable to since the those who benefit from the sloppiness would rather win
This would have broken already if true. Sanders and Weaver just spoke to reporters a little while ago and didn't mention it.
Silly comparison obviously. However aside from that... It's a fucking huge open and own goal by the democrats...
Also fuck McConnell, obviously.
also I'm obliged to point out that, if you click through to the actual tweet, everyone underneath it is A: also a rose twitter person and B: calling this person a fucking moron who needs to go away
it's very likely untrue - it does appear true that sanders may have sent workers to every caucus, but the lawyer shit doesn't have any backing
Good to see Rose Twitter as solid as ever with unverified, highly volatility and inflammatory posts that totally won't be spread like gospel by people who take everything they read online as 100% truth because it fits their preconceived narratives.
I'm thinking Sanders wins the popular vote by a couple of points and edges out the delegate count.
*Wealthy white woman who is a TERF and praises war criminals. Let's all clutch our pearls.
I would have sent these jokers on their way the moment after I read this. I'm so damn tired of people in positions of importance being worthless sacks of shit.
The coin flip should be done by a robot created by Shadow obviously. Removes human error and human choice 😅
At least they didn't put a coin flip feature into the app.
I'll ask again as someone who isn't entirely familiar: What is the implication and importance of the results of the Iowa caucus going forward? How does it have any bearing on the rest of the primary? What does it tell us?
It should just be a virtual coin toss. completely remove the coin.
Nothing really. Maybe it'll show some "insurgent" candidates the votes ain't there. But that's just acceleration, not changing things.
Pete could have lost by 4 points in the 2nd alignment and still won SDE (which normally would make him the so called winner)
We just don't know anything yet. Bernie putting out these numbers is a pretty shitty look but Pete started it last night so shrug
Delegate wise it's nothing.
Media wise, it can be used to sink/boost campaigns based on overperforming/underperforming.
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