Absolutely. It's sad that, in the face of overwhelming evidence this debacle is the result of gross negligence and stupidity, so many people are willing to spread FUD and conspiracy nonsense simply because it supports their biases.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Yeah, the dirtbag folks spreading that need to exercise their right to remain silent. But I'm not going to fault people that are generally suspicious of what happened last night. Given the state of this country they are right to not have a lot of trust in our political institutions/systems.
Conflicts of interest usually imply there is under the table dealings and that the app was used because they wanted "an edge" of some sorts.
So the question is, if all of this has been inner workings of party elites, what do they get out of this? Since people are bringing up Clinton, Venture Capitalists and so forth, I'm really interested to see what creative narratives folks will spin.
Bernie is the only candidate promising to cancel all student loan debt.
This is so disingenuous. No one is protecting the reporting app or it's parent company, just telling people to stop jumping to unfounded conclusions, like the Pete campaign and DNC coordinating this Iowa situation.
Good User Experience dictates that you're aware of your personal assumptions but you don't rely on them. You talk to your potential user base and make sure you understand their wants and needs, and any potential pain points or frustrations that may arise. It really sounds like the developers built the app, assumed that it would work just fine and never bothered to ask anyone who would be using it what they thought or wanted. And then at the last minute they gave it to them without any time to iterate.
At this point, to me, they've completely fucked this up and there doesn't seem like a way back other than a do over.
No, it does not.
Conflict of interest is about possibility, not action. The fact is, these people never should've been put in this position to the first place, and it doesn't matter if the voting app automatically directed every superdelegate to Pete or if it was designed specifically to be as fair as possible. People connected to ongoing campaigns should not also be designing voting apps for those very campaigns! It's not that difficult!
You're the primary poster spreading conspiracy theories in this thread at the moment, but you haven't even defined exactly what the goal of this conspiracy is. Just links that we're supposed to infer nefarious intent from and broad insinuations.
They didn't choose who made the app, so what exactly do they have to do with this?
there are a paper copy of all the results. Why would there need to be a do-over?
Mayor Pete is such a clown for his victory lap, I've lost what little respect I had for him. Embarrassing
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2016 says Hello.
I'm not understanding your question. What part of what I said are you asking about?
The Iowa Democratic Party "built" the app, but they said they had the national party go over it for cybersecurity reasons - so the national party absolutely had a level of oversight on this entire endeavor. Also Robbie Mook was involved with other stress testing procedures with the app - senior people had visibility on all this.
That's not what I said - the app sucks, it was built too fast and deployed with no proper training. Any large scale program distributed like that would fail.
The point is about money for access, the extremely thin margins between GOP/Dem money supporters and the crazy grip the far right Israeli lobby has on both political parties in the US right now. All issues that a singular candidate is talking about in any real terms.
Kind of hard not to fall into conspiracies when a) It's noon in the east coast and we know nothing b) Stuff like the CEO of Shadow being a Pete fan and married to a Pete strategist comes out.
I'm going to wait for the numbers but this is a fun way to pass the time -shrug-.
I'm going to wait for the numbers but this is a fun way to pass the time -shrug-.
The conspiracy points are very natural and should have been expected if anything went wrong (which they took no precautions to stop). Dems 100% messed this up. Absolutley is their fault. No reason any of the people involved should have been.
Yeah this is what my understanding was. I didn't hear of Warren promising that. I remember showing family and friends the video where Bernie announced it, he was with The Squad and they also supported it.
I read that it can be done without going through Congress. Is that not the case?
They have paper records. You sign a card with your first choice. If that isn't viable, you fill out the back and sign off on a second choice. They're all numbered (cards) which match the rolls taken at the door by people not in the room with access to the paper ballots (so the totals match and no one can just throw away 40 Klobuchar votes or whatever). All of the info is readily available to check and double-check and triple check.
Not even necessarily an edge. But even in the most charitable of scenarios this is a state branch of the democratic party paying truckloads of money to a corporation named SHADOW INC staffed by a bunch of Hillary people and Pete heads to develop some app that didn't even fucking work. Why did they get this contract for the app development? Why did they need an app at all? "Party elites" are probably not getting votes swung in Pete's favor but they sure got paid a lot of money to do something that actually caused a shit ton of problems instead of helping anything.
Love how people are saying Warren isn't gonna cancel student loan debt (or has plans to anyway) when she's on record for saying she will and has an entire policy plan devoted to it.
Stop taking rose twitter as gospel.
Stop taking rose twitter as gospel.
He is, and it doesn't have the stipulation of only going to a percentage of the population based on exemptions.
Glad she was in 2nd when the result showed for a sec last night.
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saying that something is sketchy is not conspiracy mongering. The whole thing screams incompetence and the parts that don't scream use of party funds to do favours for donors.
Yeah even if there was no intentional bias to the app the whole thing is tainted when the main benefactors blatantly have interests in support of the same section of the party. In the same way it would stand-out if the main benefactors had happened to be die-hard Bernie and Warren supports.
It's because she's only for forgiving 50k in loans, instead of all loan amounts
I'm not debating that. The Iowa Democratic Party grotesquely dropping the ball is not an excuse to spread disinformation and nonsense conspiracy theories that ultimately negatively impact the party as a whole during an election year this pivotal to the future course of the human fucking race tho.
If you're doing the same thing Donald Trump is doing on Twitter, that's a good sign you aren't on the right track.
Anger is justified. Directing it towards spreading FUD is not.
Canceling 50k debt is cool. But doesnt cover a lot of people. Medical students with 6 figures of debt, making a lot of money, get nothing out of Warren's plan.
It is conspiracy mongering when those concerns are obviously being used to paint it as a candidate being fucked over.
Why does everyone have to be so complicated in US politics? This primary stuff is endless and confusing. The electoral system is insane. Fucking clown show of a country man, Jesus.
Iowan Democrats piss in their onesie pajamas and of course centrists immediately respond by tone policing Sanders supporters. Bless their hearts.
Whew, good. Hopefully that's what they're going off of then.
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