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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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no. new hampshire does a primary like a sane person would. nevada, on the other hand, is a caucus state and was supposed to use this app or a very similar one.
New Hampshire runs a primary.
Nevada apparently has a similar app. I'd be shocked if they used it. If they do, odds are it will roll out better.
It's too complex of a system. The math will be done tomorrow.
I think you are misunderstanding something about the primaries. They are a solely party process. It is up to the individual state parties to decide. Not any 'rulings' to be made (your wording sounds like you expect something judicial)
Iowa not being a Caucus would make it lose the 'first in the nation' status which has a huge financial impact, so they would be against it.
Other states should definitely switch though. I'm not aware of any reasons holding them back.
I hate to be "old man yells at cloud" right now, but having some kind of vote in the evening, and reading the result the next morning in a newspaper wasn't the worst thing in the world.
Oh, I get that. I meant it as in a "ruling" by the DNC. Probably not the best word for it :P
Is this what happens when you dont invest in education or infrastructure?
Fuck who people vote for. We literally cannot even conduct a successful election.
Fuck who people vote for. We literally cannot even conduct a successful election.
Yeah, the barrier here is self-importance. Every individual state party should switch. That they don't is them just not properly valuing democracy as an inclusive, accessible process.
Edit: In fairness, we do have some state parties making the correct decision and abandoning the derelict process for a primary, so they seem to get it. The ones that will continue to choose it are the issue.
The DNC and RNC have a lot less sway on state party happenings than a lot of people would think. Especially the DNC, the Democrats have a lot less control over the state parties than the RNC does.
Super Tuesday is going to be almost entire primaries, except for American Samao, which will be a caucus.
It's all on paper already and presumably it's taking so long now because they are meticulously checking it.
The app was to help report the data (that was on paper) from precincts, probably because there's a lot more of it to report now due to a change in the procedures from 2016.
Ironically Iowa is historically one of the states that spent the most on education.
Yes, per state and per party. Each political party, and state, has their own delegate allocation and selection rules. This attempts to account for population densities and desired influence making, while generally agreeing that it would be bad to have election vote-gathering conducted at the federal level.
Sometimes there is exhibited "unity", like setting dates for certain states to hold their voting on the same day ("Super Tuesday", New York/Connecticut, etc.) So it is possible that states and parties can get so fed up with what happened tonight that they could exhibit similar unity and agree for each caucus state to cease conducting them. That's what it would take.
A win for Biden, he gets to obfuscate his really poor numbers and give possibility to rearrange the chairs in Nevada and NH, probably before any official results are declared final in Iowa...
That's just relative to other states in the US, right?
I guess the bigger issue is infrastructure, and boomers desperately clinging to power in a world they no longer understand.
The Dems could say- you hold a caucus, we won't count your delegates. This is why most states don't vote before Super Tuesday.
They won't remove delegates from states for doing what they've been doing for 50 years.
Something is really dodgy. How long does it take to count it again? Maybe 3 or 4 hours. Something is up. Sanders statement has only counted 40% of his precincts? But Buttigieg has counted 77%? Is Sanders questioning a portion of the votes?
Yep. Also happened before when someone tried to leapfrog NH. Iowa was left alone because someone has always stood to benefit by protecting their caucuses. This time I don't know that they'll still be protected.
Next few days will be fun. For all you bringing conspiracy theory shit to thread, please leave, go praise Q and pass the Bakker Buckets amongst yourselves.
Seriously. Our demand for instant gratification is childish. There would be nothing wrong with simply announcing that results will take approximately X hours to tally, and will be announced when final. Meaning the next day.
That has nothing to do with what I said? Florida's legislature moved up their vote date before the date they were allowed.
you said they wouldn't strip delegates from a state for not following their rules and i provided a fairly recent example of them doing exactly that.
no... I said they wouldn't punish a state for wanting to continue the same process they've been using for delegate allocation for 50 years. That instance has nothing to do with what I said. I am well aware the party has stripped delgates for date jumping in the past.
I really hope they are right. Trump has bad mouthed or done damage to so many groups. Hopefully they vote to show him what they think of him.
if they decided they no longer wanted to recognize that process they absolutely would.
I wouldn't be surprised that a little rat like Pete would ratfuck the other candidates by giving a speech declaring victory then releasing a vague statement with no hard numbers at all but a large percentage (77%) to make it sound more legitimate than the other data out there, like what Bernie's camp released (40% I think?).
He could have won the most delegates while placing 2nd overall on the final ballots because of the fucked up way the delegates are allotted, but I even doubt that. We'll see tomorrow (hopefully).
God bless our hilarious system of having millions of outstanding votes to process after Election Day!
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