Okay, he should drop out. This is something the party DID actually mandate.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Okay, he should drop out. This is something the party DID actually mandate.
Looking at the Bloomberg and Joe Biden Clip you Americans sure pick some weird ass people to represent you.
Hasn't he already said he'd do this? He's just going to have to walk this back.
I mean, we are fucked if (mostly) white non-college educated working class men have a major position of power within the Democratic coalition, as Bernie Sanders and many of his supporters believe. After all, can't be much of a voice of all of the working class if members of the working class, including union members, can rightly say that the President is trying to put them out of work.
Now, on the other hand, a coalition of suburban left-to-centrist moderates who are left-leaning on social issues, and frankly, pretty left-leaning on most economic issues, is probably a better idea, but of course, some of those people have careers and don't subscribe to every tent of modern Twitter leftism, even though all the evidence shows they are not opponents of economic populism (nymag.com/intelligencer/2018/04/affluent-democrats-arent-an-obstacle-to-economic-populism.html), might help us be fucked slightly less, but then you might have to ally with Wine Moms and much of the Left seems very unenthused to do that, for a variety of socioeconomic and other odd reasons.
LOL he's on Wall Street flexin' while a common worker pats him. Poetic!
Is he seriously still gaffeing this bad a week out before the Primary? Man has there ever been a candidate that has skated by as much as Biden has without a huge drop in polls?
People who are "left-leaning on social issues, and frankly, pretty left-leaning on most economic issues" ARE THE EXISTING DEMOCRAT BASE. They aren't going anywhere no matter how much you fantasise that "Bernie Bros" dunking on Neera Tanden on Twitter is somehow driving these people to Trump.
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I love this idea for reasons I can't quite articulate but they go a lot like "steam out of people's ears"
Ahhhhhhh this absolute fuckstick.
I gotta say, this is a real sore spot for me. Anybody who would vote for a Generic Dem but ends up staying home in November doesn't is, mathematically, exactly the same as a swing or habitual nonvoter who turns out for Trump. Some people have really good reasons - I'm not going to lecture black people on voting for the guy who sponsored the crime bill, and of course voting in a lot of states is made as difficult as possible. But the "ah, I just don't feel it" crowd? Fuck 'em.
Fuck off Biden. I know he'll support whoever is the nominee in the end, but leveraging this to keep attacks off him is shit.
Edit: Fake, corrected news.
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Well, the Bernie Sanders campaigns seems centered on lessening the power of those suburban voters, by getting more rural voters who are right-leaning on social issues and left-leaning on economic issues, as long as those economics are helpful to them specifically.
I also agree that those people will be chased out of the party, but I do find it interesting that so many Bernie supporters think that a Democratic coalition consisting of more Joe Rogan fans and less "PMC's" will be a good thing in the long term.
Oh wow, that writer fucked up. There was no way to tell that was the actual context from the original article. I've edited my post.
Is *that* how you spell that? Wow, never would've guessed.
24 hour news cycle striking. They corrected quickly, at least, but daaaaaammmnnn there shouldn't be such a constant push for new content that incendiary stuff like this gets out without getting caught.
Yeah, I feel a little bad about making a thread for it here, but there was really no hint that the context could be anything else before the edit. Terrible reporting by AP.
Biden will be so easy to run against in the general. He wants to take you back to when America was a laughingstock, nobody respected us, nobody paid their fair share, the deep state ran wild and on and on and on.
The Bernie campaign realizes most American voters-to-be are like Joe Rogan. They're simply able to get these people to vote (or, they're trying to) instead of the usual Dem strategy of ignoring most of the undecided voters and preaching to the choir. Seems to be working?
Just FYI I am not a fan of Rogan, his views, or the endorsement... but it could get more Dem votes in November. Bernie himself has been pro-trans rights since before it was even politically feasible (80s, 90s), so not to worried there.
I work for the same company, they tell you not to pull the carts.
I don't think the average American voter-to-be thinks gay people are child molesters.
They're trying to get more voters in states they need to win the presidency, what the fuck are you talking about?
I wasn't saying they were going to be chased out of the party so why are you agreeing with me? People who you said were "left-leaning on social issues, and frankly, pretty left-leaning on most economic issues" are going absolutely nowhere except the Democratic party.
Among non-voters who might actually be effective long-term members of the Democratic coalition, I think a campaign on getting minority voters who didn't vote in 2016 will be far better than chasing after Rogan voters, and other white non-college educated males. Also, preaching to the choir came within a few thousand votes of working in 2016 despite a bad candidate, and largely worked in 2018, even as very online leftists acted like Democrat's were blowing it.
Plus, Bernie's actual history on LGBT rights is far more complicated than the straight ahead tribune of LGBT rights that people try to hail him for - I think he'll be fine on the issue, just like every non-Tulsi Democrat would be, but I also think there's no absolutely zero reason to signal boost a racist transphobe just because he said nice thing about you.
I agree, but a lot of online leftists seem far more comfortable dealing with people who like Joe Rogan than people who like Elizabeth Warren or gasp, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, and would rather, in their perfect world, build a coalition around those people who like Joe Rogan than those people who like Hillary Clinton.
I tend to believe this. Warren I think would take more moderate voters from Biden than Sanders would
Ngl, I'm a fan of Joe's impulse to tell voters to vote for other people instead. Keep it up, Joe. Let it be known you aren't the candidate.
The perfect candidate to win the primary and lose to Trump, according to polls.
Indeed & also on a massive, massive decline since December.
Iowa in general is a clusterfuck to poll accurately because of the caucus rules.
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This is deranged. How about you name the progressive policies the Sanders campaign has jettisoned in order to capture the mythical Joe Rogan voter? It's funny that you try and bring up LGBT rights as some kind of smear against Sanders when the Democratic party carried out the exact same thing you're trying to insinuate - they kept their finger on the scale against gay marriage for as long as possible in presidential campaigns (in order to court socially conservative voters) and only "evolved on the issue" when it was completely politically safe to do so.
So why is it ok for the Democratic party to actually DROP progressive policy to court white working class voters but it is not ok for Sanders to court white working class voters without actually changing his progressive platform at all?
Its french, think merci beaucoup
Weird, seems dangerous
They've dropped the policy of 'not embracing transphobic racists who believed the former Democratic President wasn't born here.'
To answer your question - Democrat's in the past dropped policies because it would hurt other positive policies they could do that would help people. Now, you can disagree about their specific decisions, but they can also point to things their administrations did that helped various groups of people, even if they backed off the most progressive opinion, much like Bernie Sanders did in 2006, when he said gay marriage would be too divisive. I don't think Bernie is a bad person for that belief. I don't even think he was wrong.
On the other hand, there's zero evidence, outside of the fantasies of Jacobin writers and Twitter leftists that Joe Rogan saying nice things about you, in between nodding along to conservations about Muslim's inbreeding and talking about how SJW's are ruining comedy, will actually move votes and actually help people in the long-run. In reality, all it will lead to is at best, conversations where Joe Rogan supporters say they can't be transphobic because they voted for Bernie, right before they use a transphobic slur or push forward another racist or sexist conspiracy.
Dozens of Democratic congressional candidates won Trump-friendly districts in 2018 without embracing a transphobic racist who openly believed in a conspiracy that the former Democratic President wasn't born here. Why can't Bernie?
*resists urge to fact check*Someone jumped the gun on the last debate thread, but I made this for that. Adjusted for the caucus.
So they're finally here, performing for you
If you know the words, you can join in too
Put your hands together, if you want to clap
As we take you through this Demo-rap!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME!
He's the leader of the bunch, you know him well
Third time's the charm to kick some tail
His gaffes at times may fire in spurts
But when he beats ya, it's gonna hurt!
He's bigger, faster, and stronger too
He's the first member of the DNC crew!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME!
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME IS HERE!
This one's got style, so listen up dudes
She can throw some staplers, to suit her mood
She's quick and nimble when she needs to be
She can comb up salad with relative ease!
If you choose her, you'll not choose wrong
With a skip and a hop, she's one cool mom!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA!
CAUCUS TIME!
He has no style, he has no grace
Th-this guy has some birdies to chase!
He medicare plan will cure your booboo
He'll cancel all debt, just for you
Inflate the debt just like a balloon
This crazy one sings to his own tune!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME!
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME IS HERE!
He's back again and ready to burst
From the large city (three hundred and first!)
He can fly real high around South Bend
Searching for his one African American friend!
He'll make you smile when he plays his tune
But progressives beware 'cause he's after you!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA!
CAUCUS TIME!
Finally, she's here for you
It's the last member of the DNC crew!
Her running for Prez sure isn't funny
Has tons of proposals 'cause she ain't dummy
Can craft up a plan with relative ease
Makes good progress seem such a breeze
She may move slow, she can't jump high
But at 70 young, she's still so spry!
(and the rest...)
What on earthSomeone jumped the gun on the last debate thread, but I made this for that. Adjusted for the caucus.
So they're finally here, performing for you
If you know the words, you can join in too
Put your hands together, if you want to clap
As we take you through this Demo-rap!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME!
He's the leader of the bunch, you know him well
Third time's the charm to kick some tail
His gaffes at times may fire in spurts
But when he beats ya, it's gonna hurt!
He's bigger, faster, and stronger too
He's the first member of the DNC crew!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME!
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME IS HERE!
This one's got style, so listen up dudes
She can throw some staplers, to suit her mood
She's quick and nimble when she needs to be
She can comb up salad with relative ease!
If you choose her, you'll not choose wrong
With a skip and a hop, she's one cool mom!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA!
CAUCUS TIME!
He has no style, he has no grace
Th-this guy has some birdies to chase!
He medicare plan will cure your booboo
He'll cancel all debt, just for you
Inflate the debt just like a balloon
This crazy one sings to his own tune!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME!
IOWA
CAUCUS TIME IS HERE!
He's back again and ready to burst
From the large city (three hundred and first!)
He can fly real high around South Bend
Searching for his one African American friend!
He'll make you smile when he plays his tune
But progressives beware 'cause he's after you!
Huh!
[Chorus]
IOWA!
CAUCUS TIME!
Finally, she's here for you
It's the last member of the DNC crew!
Her running for Prez sure isn't funny
Has tons of proposals 'cause she ain't dummy
Can craft up a plan with relative ease
Makes good progress seem such a breeze
She may move slow, she can't jump high
But at 70 young, she's still so spry!
(and the rest...)
he's about to nipple tweak that guy!
creep hands can't help but creep
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