So Mods closed my thread. What companies do you guys think Bernie would split up if he became president?
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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He definitely needs to reach out to the moderates. The progressives are already on board for the most part. Hell more Warren voters have a moderate as their second choice than Sanders. (pg 8) Klobuchar is his way through the brokered convention.
Yeah I agree. Reaching out to dem moderates is far more important than swing voters, and also much less politically risky.
Also, Tulsi is popular with people who are probably never going to vote for Sanders no matter what (or in some cases people who would have voted for him anyway). Picking somebody popular with moderates like Klob makes more sense. I'd say Kamala would be an even better pick, but she really isn't super popular with anybody.
I wonder if she would drop out before the convention. If she keeps surging and Pete keeps floundering it may be difficult to get her. The timing is pretty tricky
VP pick is pretty interesting, though. Because there is a chance that person may become president before the next vote.
President Klobuchar? President Duckworth?
President Klobuchar? President Duckworth?
as someone marching shouldertoshoulder with berniebro twitter, we would lose our shit in anger if klobs was the vp pick
If young voters are up like in Iowa, that could mean younger voters are more enthusiastic, which is good for Bernie or Warren. And if older voters are down, that could mean they either don't care if trump wins, or don't care who the nom is.
I know some were worried about CA ballots being messed up (due to one tweet earlier today), but my ballot arrived just fine and on schedule
I read somewhere the theory in Iowa was that people don't really care who the nominee is, they just plan to vote blue. And in fact, the large number of choices is likely suppressing the turnout a bit as it's overwhelming to try and pick (this does follow a lot of other research about decision paralysis)
I read somewhere the theory in Iowa was that people don't really care who the nominee is, they just plan to vote blue. And in fact, the large number of choices is likely suppressing the turnout a bit as it's overwhelming to try and pick (this does follow a lot of other research about decision paralysis)
There was an article about that is that with just so many candidates & so many are happy with them that it can be hard to pick.
Ultimately we shall see later, since it was reported earlier that Iowa was down from 2016, but by the end it was higher then 2016 by 10%
Yep.
Dems hate Trump. This primary isn't particularly relevant to many of them, as whoever wins will fulfill their sole requirement of not being Trump.
Bad news for Bernie. He wanted a definitive 'you see my revolution isnt a puff of smoke!' turnout.
You absolutely love to see it.
I think it depends on Bloomberg's performance at the debate and if Biden can recover. If they perform well Klobuchar has to drop out sooner rather than later
Depressing as hell, it's always an uphill battle to oust an incumbent president only happened twice in my lifetime. We have to vote trump out, he's going to stack the SC this will affect everything for fucking decades.
Just overheard a conversation between coworkers angsty that Bernie was doing so well saying that "the Democratic party is going to destroy itself if he gets the nomination" and how "if people want to see what socialism is really like they need to move to Venezuela"
I love the salt
I love the salt
He didn't get it in 2016, I don't see why people expected it now.
this isn't necessarily true - this same argument was made on Iowa, but in the aftermath it was clear the Sanders campaign did turn out younger voters and pushed the electorate younger in Iowa.
Sanders can't be the only one turning out the vote given how crowded the field is
Yeah this is why Bloomberg is by far the scariest one in the race. A lot of people are okay with picking a Democrat who is literally barely just Dem in name. I hope Bernie's campaign recognizes that he's the one they need to beat in the end
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I should clarify.
Tulsi is a garbage excuse for a human being. My saying she polled well amongst Republicans was an attempt at droll humor highlighting how bad she is. Her actual polling is very bad amongst people who might conceivably vote against Trump, and EXTRMELY bad amongst people dedicated to fighting against him already. It'd be a bald faced slap to the face of a pick, not just to "the establishment" but to every loyal member of the party who's been paying attention to her.
Again, it's not policy do much as demographics and personality and personal history. VP's policy positions are rarely relevant, but you do need the right kind of appeal to cover the gaps in your own. That's why Kaine was a bad pick for,Clinton, he pretty much checked all the same boxes she did. Somebody like a Booker, an Abrams, hell, a Baldwin or Duckworth, they have a different presentation and appeal than Bernie does, even if Baldwin in particular has pretty similar policies. That's what's important. Having 2 Bernies on the ticket doesn't make it twice as strong.
Bernie himself is actually less of a firebreather than his supporters might make him out to be, but you still have to work to cover different bases.
Not unexpected. People in the party really do seem to like all these candidates. Why turn up in a primary when you're okay with whatever happens?
She did a good job at speaking too. Most voter interviews are just complete trash. Good on her.
as I've pointed out at least once, I don't think sanders really cares all that much what the overall voter turnout is. it's not his responsibility to generate democratic primary voter turnout, it's his responsibility to generate bernie sanders democratic primary voter turnout. (in fact, you can make the argument that it's his responsibility to deliberately lower primary voter turnout for other candidates, although I don't believe he's done this)
like, this is the same bad argument that people made about iowa. the reason 2008 primary numbers were so high was because people were extremely excited about all three candidates, and all three of them drove turnout. by contrast, in iowa this year, sanders did very well with first-time caucus-goers (they're what made him win the popular vote by such a good margin) but several other candidates (biden, klobuchar, even warren) didn't get new people out to vote. this isn't his problem! it's not his job to turn out the klob blob!
if he gets a high percentage of new voters in new hampshire, and if new voter turnout is above average, I think he'll be satisfied on that front. whether or not people will interpret the data correctly is out of his hands.
I will say this: Sanders is the only nominee with any amount of electricity behind him right now. Everyone else is running around trying to decide who to "settle" on.
But I don't see why appealing to other dems is important in a general when the alternative is Trump unless were saying they wouldn't vote for bernie. Enough so that he would lose the election. And if thats the case, thats a serious problem.
If Blue Dog Dems refuse to vote for Sanders in the GE, then they deserve to have Trump steal their Social Security and Medicare.
It worked out this time but good lord undecided voters are so frustrating.
Ari comes off as such a condescending douche in this interview.
Good on that woman for being respectful and putting up with it.
That's bad! Don't voters know they need to drag their feet around a dull candidate that'll promise nothing and accomplish nothing? This is politics, folks!
Literally no one deserves that. Not one person, and I even considered using the qualifier "normal," deserves any of this.
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