Wow, didn't realize he was that old. He looks good for his age tbh.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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There is genuinely such a huge pile of things Bloomberg looks like an absolute ghoul for, and this is definitely among them. I cannot even fathom how much a third party challenge would balloon because of Bloomberg somehow getting the Democratic nomination - there's endless stories of sexist, racist, authoritarian, extremely anti-poor classist shit like wanting to fingerprint and catalogue people seeking housing assistance, and more. I just find him utterly repugnant on every single level and cannot fathom how anyone who considers themselves progressive could carry water for him.
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My bad. The way the "if" was worded sounded cynical and given the negativity in general in the thread I just naturally assumed you were giving Biden for it. I apologize.
No worries my good dude.
I try not to discuss anything as a certainty due to the unpredictable nature of the subject, that's all. Ifs and mights all around.
Right, that's true. But I don't think anyone could have predicted, reliably, that Sanders would do as well as he has a few months ago. I think it's important to remember that many of these flavours have distinct disadvantages compared to Sanders, while he enjoys the additional benefit of being a frontrunner throughout the first few contests and Super Tuesday, while the 'alternative choice' is still unclear (as Nate pointed out a short while ago).
For example, Buttigieg has predominantly white support vs Sanders's additional, sizeable non-white support. Bloomberg is at a disadvantage, because the media narrative is going to follow whoever 'won' (by whatever metric) the first bundle of states.
Regardless this is almost exactly how Trump won his primary. As long as that coalition of not Bernie fails to vote for the same candidate in sufficient numbers (Trump had 3 different "challengers" after Jeb was slaughtered during the first debate) then Bernie is going to win this. Thankfully Bernie despite the angst he naturally gets out of centrists and moderates he has personally avoided attacking them outright which is why his likability rating within the party is over 70%.
Even more thankfully than that he is the total antithesis of Trump so by virtue of being the President without doing anything yet he will bring a lot of relief to people.
But that's assuming Bernie is where democrats secretly want to go.
Trump was where all republicans have always wanted to go, a white only country, so they said fuck yea we will fall in line.
I'm not too sure all democrats want to pay way more in taxes and have more government in their lives to the level that democratic socialists propose.
It won't happen in any case so really what you're signing up for is a sane person at the helm in foreign policy and immigration
Only if you were already predisposed to read the data in the least favorable way towards Sanders.
That point is irrelevant. A majority of primary voters did try to avoid Trump but there so many options they failed to push any single one over him. And it's not like Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio weren't pushing racist agendas themselves. They just had that veneer of respectability Trump lacked.
Falling in line for the nominee in the general is what was expected of them and we among ourselves expect our party members to fall in line around whoever is the candidate.
How else can you read it!
The man is stuck between 20-27 percent nationally. Anytime someone ducks up, he barely picks up their second choice vote. Fact is he is sssssupppper popular with the people that already like him.
he's not growing, in fact he's shrunk from 2016
how do you say this shit and not even pause to consider the obvious rebuttal you're going to get
Some data from California is coming out, in raw format:
twitter.com
Link to data.
One of the interesting things I saw:
California hispanics:
Bernie: 39%
Warren: 16%
Buttigieg: 8%
Bloomberg: 8%
Biden: 7%
Still digging through it though.
CA120 on Twitter
“Big movement in the @Capitol_Weekly Presidential Primary Tracking Poll! @BernieSanders pulling even further ahead, at the expense of @ewarren who clings to second place. A big gain for @MikeBloomberg and @PeteButtigieg, who is on the cusp of getting statewide delegates.”
twitter.com
Link to data.
One of the interesting things I saw:
California hispanics:
Bernie: 39%
Warren: 16%
Buttigieg: 8%
Bloomberg: 8%
Biden: 7%
Still digging through it though.
It's blatantly obvious that Warren and Sanders have avoided attacking each other for as long as possible because they have a deal to push one of them over in a brokered convention. I strongly suspect that conversation Warren had with Sanders was one of those conversations and she's doubly sore that her position in the polls hasn't put her in the position to win no matter what.
I just want to state something: I'm not anti Bernie, in fact I was destroyed in 2016 when he lost, and then ran over with a truck when Clinton lost. I'm just anti Bernie-is-the-only-good-choice-and-will-win-everything.
some of y'all think that he's guaranteed this nom, and facts is nothing is guaranteed for any of these candidates, and they would all be good nominee
some of y'all think that he's guaranteed this nom, and facts is nothing is guaranteed for any of these candidates, and they would all be good nominee
cause that rebuttal doesn't make sense. Yes there's more candidates now, but if he was such a strong candidate as y'all claim, why are people so willing to pick someone else over him?
Curious to see how neighboring Nevada plays out since we rarely get polls from Nevada.Some data from California is coming out, in raw format:
CA120 on Twitter
“Big movement in the @Capitol_Weekly Presidential Primary Tracking Poll! @BernieSanders pulling even further ahead, at the expense of @ewarren who clings to second place. A big gain for @MikeBloomberg and @PeteButtigieg, who is on the cusp of getting statewide delegates.”
Link to data.
One of the interesting things I saw:
California hispanics:
Bernie: 39%
Warren: 16%
Buttigieg: 8%
Bloomberg: 8%
Biden: 7%
Still digging through it though.
Yeah, this is my takeaway as well.
Because it's a very competitive primary in general?
Can't this same thing be said about literally every candidate, like Warren for example?
sanders' latino support is enduring and massive, you know what this means
time to abandon the midwest and go all-in on winning texas in the general
Yes exactly and that's why we're probably headed to a brokered convention in which it will be important we all fall in line and not cry cause our fav didn't get the nom
I didn't actually seriously consider Sanders until a few months ago. I had mostly just hoped and prayed for a miracle that either Sanders or Warren would manage to win this thing. Then he started picking up, and it seemed a bit more likely. And then Iowa happened, and Biden's flop caught me by surprise. I had suspected, but mostly hoped, that Buttigieg would perform well in Iowa, giving him a surge for the next contest in New Hampshire (at the cost of Biden), but not to the extent we've seen. I also didn't think Klobuchar would throw a binder at him (Pete) on the debate stage and hurt him as effectively as she has.
I'm not totally counting other candidates out yet, though. I just think Bernie has the best shot of succeeding.
We aren't even at the 2nd primary/caucus yet, so I think that kind of guesswork is a bit premature
Not Florida,
Cuban-Americans and some Venezuelan-Americans will not vote for a socialist
You can't lump all Latinos into one mega pile. They have differences
People literally said the same thing a couple months ago, but that he was stuck between 15 and 20 percent. He's obviously growing, and has been surging now for the past couple months.
To be fair I don't think I've seen any Sanders group or community thinking we'll win FL. Latino outreach is focused on NV, CA, and TX among others.
Who is saying that? People are saying he has a good chance and you're insistent he has hardly any chance. You've done this in multiple threads now.
Think it's pretty safe to assume we're not picking up Ohio, Texas and Florida no matter who the GE nominee is.
LOL I can't believe someone posted that Bloomberg is likable. He's not. He's got a lot of the same baggage as Trump without the charm or the occasional addled genius moments or the baldfaced incivility which distinguishes Trump from the professional political class. Bloomberg might lead in the national polls in a head-to-head but I'd be terrified of him losing to Trump in the Rust Belt states that the GOP swept in 2016. You'd rather have Biden in that case.
If it comes down to Sanders versus Bloomberg that's a good vs. evil battle for the soul of the nation, it truly is.
I wouldn't vote for Bloomberg under any circumstances. If you can just bully and buy your way to the presidency then we are fucked.
If it comes down to Sanders versus Bloomberg that's a good vs. evil battle for the soul of the nation, it truly is.
I wouldn't vote for Bloomberg under any circumstances. If you can just bully and buy your way to the presidency then we are fucked.
You can't figure out ceilings in a race where 11 people are still in after Iowa.
I'm not sure why people are pretending that dynamic will hold for months and months to create the conditions for a contested convention unless they don't think more people are going to drop out.
I'm not sure why people are pretending that dynamic will hold for months and months to create the conditions for a contested convention unless they don't think more people are going to drop out.
if you think this is even scarcely resembles a good response, i am at a loss for words as to what to say.
anyway vote bluenomatterwho. Bernie 2020 god bless
Bernie has been invited to the carne asada for a while now, those are just the facts.
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If the candidate leading in delegates doesn't get the nom there is going to be hell to pay. Party unity after that will be a fantasy and Trump will win.
Not likable? How can you deny charisma like this?
Just wait til he tweets about chilling in Cedar Rapids.
Some data from California is coming out, in raw format:
CA120 on Twitter
“Big movement in the @Capitol_Weekly Presidential Primary Tracking Poll! @BernieSanders pulling even further ahead, at the expense of @ewarren who clings to second place. A big gain for @MikeBloomberg and @PeteButtigieg, who is on the cusp of getting statewide delegates.”
Link to data.
One of the interesting things I saw:
California hispanics:
Bernie: 39%
Warren: 16%
Buttigieg: 8%
Bloomberg: 8%
Biden: 7%
Still digging through it though.
Biden is so done
Warren and Biden will run out of money, Bloombeg will carpet bomb dollars everywhere
I strongly disagree with one of those, and somewhat jokingly disagree on a second
ohio is 100% available, and I think the evergreen support of sherrod brown is proof. I live in ohio, so I probably see this dynamic a bit more than most, but sherrod brown keeps winning even in "bad" democratic years because he talks about labor. he talks about unions, he talks about the need for better trade deals, he talks about hard work etc. if sanders is running, I completely think he can win ohio on that message, coupled with strong support in the cities. he's believable and authentic on the issue in a way similar to brown, and in a way somewhat dissimilar from trump (and, if we're being honest, clinton).
this might be wishful thinking because I live here, and would love nothing more than to see ohio vote sanders, but I do genuinely believe it.
texas is kind of the joking one - it'd take a massive amount of turnout effort from democrats to do it, but it's theoretically feasible. doubt it happens, though.
florida's gone, and honestly, fuck florida. tired of getting fucked over by that shithole for the past two decades, the sooner we give up on it the better
Said it before, i'll say it agian.... I'll never understand how Boomberg is at 10% and people that have been running for a year are less.
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