Just to be clear, it's people accidentally being sent the nonpartisan ballot, which is missing more than just Bernie. It only has people up for office in the state.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Just to be clear, it's people accidentally being sent the nonpartisan ballot, which is missing more than just Bernie. It only has people up for office in the state.
Who is the last president to win on a platform of "I don't want to screw things up?"
Bush 1?
im glad we can now agree that at least they would want to stop sanders.
If Biden or Pete got the nomination and won there would be a shakeup. The president controls the party and the DNC, they put their person in charge.
4 years is about the limit on these jobs. No-one becomes chair of the DNC as a long term job prospect.
I think it's foolish to think that the capitalist class would easily surrender the mechanisms by which they became wealthy and powerful. Capitalism is a crucial component to fascism, as well. I think it is also foolish to ignore the history of who aligned with fascists when push came to shove, and which type of politicians fascists targeted.
Any person involved in politics will have a preference. They will vote in their primaries to stop the other candidates. Shocking.
...and the last time a DNC chair has stayed on for longer than four years was Bob Strauss who served from 1972 to 1977
Perez is probably out no matter who the nominee/eventual president is, it's not really a permanent job.
wait no I was wrong DWS was there for five years, sorry I am wrong and stupid
Right so a second ago when you said the measures they'd take to stop sanders are 'nearly non-existent', you meant that the only thing they'd ever do is just vote for their preferred candidate? okay. I don't know who has this much faith in our awful bankrupt institutions to be this confident but ight
I don't have any faith in institutions whatsoever, but more my lack of faith has to do with belief in incompetence of the institutions.
See, this would have to come with the belief that Congress, even a dem congress, will be beholden to Sanders wave of a wand when... they're not. At minimum Manchin's West Virginia rep would increase butting heads with Sanders. There are a lot of other Senators that would butt heads as well. There are only 20 Senators that support M4A single payer, and even if that doubles under Sanders you still won't have the votes. Remember, the dem Congress ran away from Obama won they were seeking re-election.
On the legislative side, a Sanders presidency will look like any other of these candidates presidencies. What worries me about that is how his base would react to that. Would they still be willing to turn out.
It feel like people should investigate claims like this before just posting them like this, because people will just take this at face value and not question them. It feels like there's a "Bernie's gonna get fucked by the establishment" doom cycle of misleading information which is just posted without any scrutiny.
For example, if I saw something like this I'd ask, who's actually on that ballot? I'd Google what non partisan ballot actually means? I'd try and verify things just a little. Can we please do that?
In this case it just seems like if you updated your party affiliation fairly recently then you might be sent a ballot without any of the democratic primary candidates. Therefore, this isn't a conspiracy made to fuck bernie.
Did you mean to respond to someone else? I didn't mention M4A or anything that you're talking about.
If Sanders' Presidency looks legislatively identical to the other dem candidates, why would the "capitalist class DNC dems" be afraid.
I am doing this now, reading about this type of ballot here: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2020-01-02/no-preference-party-presidential-primary-california
So it seems like people without a party declaration get ballots that exclude presidential candidates:
And if you want to vote in the primary, you have to specifically request a party-affiliated ballot:
It sounds like California has a lot of non-affiliated voters so people who don't know any better might be getting these ballots and not understanding why:
Man, the moderate democrats/four or five remaining Never Trump republicans fawning over that Bloomberg ad, still don't understand that the whole "beneath the dignity of the office of the president" shtick is one nobody fucking cares about anymore. As much as they're sick of Trump, they do not trust establishment people and refuse to hand the keys back over to them. It's why Biden would lose, why Mayor Pete will lose, Warren will lose, and especially Klobuchar will lose. It's frustrating to see.
By this reasoning, you could argue Trump isn't a criminal. Why would he be so obvious about it!
....I don't buy the conspiracy, I just thought this was funny.
He's been dealing with it for 4+ years, though. Probably a third of the cumulative debate time from last year to this point has been spent with the candidates squabbling about M4A and whether or not Bernie, and to a lesser extent Warren, could ever hope to pass their plans into law. He just stays on message through it all.
The line of attack doesn't bother me- but it saddens me to see Klob and others so willing to lob the term socialist at Bernie. His platform is not socialist. The only thing he wants to do that even leans socialist is to expand an existing social medicine program so that it includes everyone. That's it.
Makes me wonder if the moderate candidates don't actually know what socialism is, or if they're just happy to help do the GOP's job for them. Will be ironic if a moderate ends up atop the ticket once the GOP starts labeling them as a socialist and the joker posters start circulating online.
Some people just want the decorum of the Obama years back, when you could throw kids in cages, but do so politely.
You catch more kids in cages with honey than vinegar, as they say.
Pete is the worst of Marco Rubio in a Democratic form.Hey everybody's favorite awful Kamala Harris plan is backin pog formin Pete form
Dope! I really appreciate the information. I feel like we should do more of this.
If they're calling Bernie's platform socialist, wait until we get Actual Socialism!
(Bernie is a democratic socialist running on a Social Democrat platform.)
Well they said it, so it must be true.
Oof lol
(Bernie is a democratic socialist running on a Social Democrat platform.)
Well they said it, so it must be true.
Oof lol
User banned (1 week): Dismissing concerns surrounding immigration, whataboutism.
The immigration policies of Obama in his first six years were bad, but Obama was extremely liberal on immigration compared to... the majority of 20th and 21st century leaders?
Trump has reduced the refugee cap from 110,000 under Obama to 18,000 now as well as banning immigration from Nigeria, Iran, and many other countries. Trump has massively increased drone strike civilian causalities (also, straight-up bizarre that this gets no coverage compared to bombing one airport for Assad after he gassed a bunch of kids, I don't get it). Obama's willingness to tolerate Sisi was easily his biggest failing of his presidency (Sisi should be dead and I'll strongly back any Dem candidate who agrees) but Trump loves dictators so much that a dictator was emboldened enough to kidnap a WaPo journalist, murder him, and cut him into pieces.
So IDK!
My """favorite""" thing about immigration policy is that extremely online people follow immigration so little that AMLO keeping South Americans in camps in Mexico (after Trump asked) gets zero attention even though AMLO bans journalists from observing these camps and they are likely of even more dire conditions than the ones that were common in the US. (PS, die of heart disease and fuck off, you punk, AMLO)
Lesser extent Warren? Warren was getting grilled on M4A far more than Bernie ever was.
If 80% of the time Biden was like he was during the Town Hall, he would be the front runner for real right now. That was the Diamond Joe we love.
This is colossally stupid. Here's my zero income business, with 3 employees that have zero scheduled hours of work and produce nothing.Hey everybody's favorite awful Kamala Harris plan is backin pog formin Pete form
Most of this is nuanced, but the idea that Pete's team funded the app is not remotely based in fact, it's misinformation/conspiratorial nonsense that popped up in the night of the election as people were trying to figure out what the app was/what went wrong.
As for the rest of it - it ignores the fact that Pete's internal numbers had to have been showing them a lead just as Bernie's were for him to be calling victory + Bernie's comfortable victory talk at the time deliberately excluded SDEs. 0 transparency and the rest of the bullshit was IDP really effing up with no excuse though.
Its really difficult to watch Biden in the debates. He tries to make points but it ends up coming off as arrogant and sometimes desperate.
Honestly the most impressive in the debates was Klobuchar who went after others very fearlessly and came off quite genuine. I think she can actually do some damage to Bernie where Warren/Pete/Biden aren't willing to or failed to.
I can only remember that being the case at one debate last fall when she was flirting with the lead. Otherwise- the whole "demanding a revolution", "how much will it all cost?", "you could never hope to pass any of this" lines of attack are almost exclusively aimed at Bernie. And they come up at every debate.
Bernie's three main issues to be attacked on in the general are.
1. Bernie has provided no details whatsoever on how large the tax increases for M4A and Green New Deal would have to be, if he's the nominee, he will get pressure to do this.
2. Bernie wants to ban fracking which employs a huge amount of people in Pennsylvania
3. Bernie will probably only live for like 3-10 more years because he's a 78 year old coming off a heart attack.
#3 may be of limited impact (unless he has another heart attack during the campaign) because Trump is also dying and in terrible health, but #1 is going to be a major thing. Should probably get left wing media to push on this now so that it doesn't only become a news story in September.
1. Bernie has provided no details whatsoever on how large the tax increases for M4A and Green New Deal would have to be, if he's the nominee, he will get pressure to do this.
2. Bernie wants to ban fracking which employs a huge amount of people in Pennsylvania
3. Bernie will probably only live for like 3-10 more years because he's a 78 year old coming off a heart attack.
#3 may be of limited impact (unless he has another heart attack during the campaign) because Trump is also dying and in terrible health, but #1 is going to be a major thing. Should probably get left wing media to push on this now so that it doesn't only become a news story in September.
why do you keep falling for this talking point
no one is asking repubs how they fund their tax breaks and their wars and that has precisely been the answer from the Bernie team even as of last night.
Thank you for posting this. The difference between online and offline Bernie supporters is so strange but its a running theme.
All we can do is try. Maybe we try and it fails catastrophically but at least we tried and stopped putting up with exploitation for once. I really hope for example that we can fix insulin prices before anyone else dies because of it.
Terrible example with Manchin.
He's no moderate. He's a human weather vain and 30% of my (his) state is already on Medicaid. (Another 8ish on Medicare)
He'll do whatever looks good. The only thing I could see pushing him the other way is his daughter.
The total military budget is 1/8 to 1/6 of what M4A+Green New Deal would cost.
Bernie and Warren have proposed spending that has never been seen in US history and we need to be pretty clear about how much revenue is going to have be raised.
I think the main issue people had was Buttigieg's campaign paying upwards of 40k to the app creators themselves as opposed to them actually funding it, though I did see that exact quote floating around during Iowa, which was never proven obviously. The optics aren't exactly the best, of course:
The optics also looked pretty bad when pictures came out of the chair of the Iowa Democrats hanging out with the founder of Shadow, Inc. a few nights prior to the caucus, but there isn't exactly hard evidence stating they were working together or anything. It just didn't look great given the errors that occurred, so I imagine it fueled the fire.
It's so relevant that literally not even Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, or Michelle Obama have endorsed anyone for president.
If Obama didn't want Bernie to be president, it would be incredibly easy for him to do so by just saying "hey, please vote for Klobuchar"
The idea that the DNC is rigging this for Pete somehow when every elected Dem hates him for not having as much experience as them...
Mr Tump how will you pay for your wall?
Mexico will pay for it!
*In reality I will steal money from Pentagon and congress, then throw a hussy fit and shut down the government then try to cut Medicaid to pay for it.
The double standard for "how you gonna pay for it" is insane. No one in the GE should care about how something is going to get paid when Trump is on the other side. Don't fall for the pitfalls.
Mexico will pay for it!
*In reality I will steal money from Pentagon and congress, then throw a hussy fit and shut down the government then try to cut Medicaid to pay for it.
The double standard for "how you gonna pay for it" is insane. No one in the GE should care about how something is going to get paid when Trump is on the other side. Don't fall for the pitfalls.
"All we can do is try" rings true. Healthcare in the US is an absolute joke and apologists for the current system either A) directly benefit from said system, or B) genuinely do not think of the others who suffer because of it. One of my best friends was just recently diagnosed with diabetes at 30 years old, and he found out that his insulin is going to cost $200 a month. As a freelance worker, he is genuinely terrified of falling into a pit of debt, and I don't blame him one bit.
Obama's legacy would take a massive blow if he did that and he knows it which is why hes staying out of it. Its as simple as that.
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