I think he'll continue to run ads against Trump even if he drops out. :XBloomberg has some killer ads so he gets to stick around for a while longer.
It would be a declaration that they'd rather surrender the country to Trump than lose control of the party.That's what I'm saying. I don't care HOW much people Hate Trump. They would absolutely stay home if a brokered convention fucked over Sanders. The Democrat superdelegates would be handing Trump a second term.
There's a real problem for the moderates if Bloomberg becomes their anti-Bernie as Wasserman brought up here:
So according to 538, the average forecasted delegates is as follows:
Sanders - 1701
Biden - 1012
Buttigieg - 434
Warren - 404
Bloomberg -339
Obviously it's still early and things could change drastically, but what would the convention look like if this holds true? Even Biden and Buttigeig together wouldn't get the required plurality (1929) so maybe we'd see Warren negotiate things with Bernie to give him her delegates? If superdelegates get involved everything could be out the window.
It would be a declaration that they'd rather surrender the country to Trump than lose control of the party.
Of course not.
But i pulled up all of Trump's tweets about Bernie, and he rarely outright attacks Bernie. Considering how many people he attacks, it feels like he doesn't want to because he respects him as a person who doesn't flip flop on his principles, or he just doesn't have that much ammo to hurt Bernie with.
He's not wrong on either of these tweets. The Dems screwed Bernie in 2016 and they have screwed him again in Iowa 2020.
They completely fixed the Iowa 2020 results to give Pete more delegates - 14 to 12 I believe it is now. It was supposed to be a tie. And Bernie had 2500 more votes after the final alignment. And now I'm supposed to believe Sanders had 5 more SDE errors than Buttigieg. How do you give Deval Patrick votes from Bernie Sanders and have people sign off on that. That's wild.
I know Bernie is not a man of retribution, but I bet Perez will be forced out when Bernie wins the General Election.
If Biden or Pete is still around when Bloomberg's polls start to rise - they will go after Bloomberg. They won't stand idly by. There's so much dirt on Bloomberg online, I doubt his money will save him.
It would be a declaration that they'd rather surrender the country to Trump than lose control of the party.
He's not terrible, tbh.
Big on Climate Change, strong on assault weapon ban, supports $15 minimum wage. But no M4A. For someone buying his way in to the election we could do worse.
A quick Google turned this up which seems to corroborate the above: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/michael-bloomberg/
It's the DNC vs Bernie right now and Warren is with the DNC.
The only people I see giving Bernie delegates are Tulsi Gabbard, Tom Steyer and Andrew Yang. Everybody else is a puppet of the DNC.
I don't even know why DNC want Bernie - i guess just to prove a point that the party is moderate and not left.
I might be wrong here, but as a non-American, I get the jist that the DNC would rather have 4 more years of Trump than 4 years of Sanders. Nothing really would change within the party with 4 more years of Trump, while a Sanders presidency would shift things big time.
EDIT: looks like i've been wizarded already
No, he is terrible. Look into his history. Look into what the man has done when he wielded power over people's lives. Don't think you can trust him to safeguard black and brown lives for even a second.He's not terrible, tbh.
Big on Climate Change, strong on assault weapon ban, supports $15 minimum wage. But no M4A. For someone buying his way in to the election we could do worse.
A quick Google turned this up which seems to corroborate the above: https://www.politico.com/2020-election/candidates-views-on-the-issues/michael-bloomberg/
They have already with the Iowa caucus. Pete Buttigieg? Are you kidding me - just to stop Sanders?
Give it to Biden if you at least want to win. Pete has no shot.
Trump doesn't respect Bernie in any way. He just sees him and his supporters as a useful weapon to split his opposition.
Iowa was the result of a sloppy bureaucracy and nothing else. The MAGA ratfuckers are fanning the flames on conspiracy theories about the DNC because it worked in 2016 and they know it can roil the Democratic coalition. Don't fall for this shit. The minute Bernie wins the nomination, which is looking likely at this point, the entire playbook will change.
It's the DNC vs Bernie right now and Warren is with the DNC.
The only people I see giving Bernie delegates are Tulsi Gabbard, Tom Steyer and Andrew Yang. Everybody else is a puppet of the DNC.
I don't even know why DNC want Bernie - i guess just to prove a point that the party is moderate and not left.
I was just referring to his platform. Don't mistake my summary as an endorsement. I have no affection for Bloomberg. I didn't mean to speak to his quality or his honesty as a candidate, just the summary of his supposed positions.No, he is terrible. Look into his history. Look into what the man has done when he wielded power over people's lives. Don't think you can trust him to safeguard black and brown lives for even a second.
Even if Biden won SC by 15+ points, it would be a significantly less powerful punch than what it was for Hillary, because she won by 47 points.Of course, Biden could also win the state by 15+ points. Who knows.
Even if Biden won SC by 15+ points, it would be a significantly less powerful punch than what it was for Hillary, because she won by 47 points.
Sorry I don't believe this FOR A SECOND.
Just too many incidents that favoured Pete.
At this point the issue is about mobilizing for the election. I do not think the jury is out on whether Sanders has the pull to get people mobilized in 2008 numbers, however none of the other dem candidates appear to have that kind of energy. We can not win with a moderate strategy that does not also energize people. I would have said 2008 Biden could have pulled it off, but that man is really past his prime. I think Bernie is the only choice we have if we really want the turnout, I do not know how we make his platform more palatable to get moderates on board, but I think that may not be feasible. Probably will just need to use the "him or Trump" mentality there.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so toxic.Some people are just that anti-Bernie. They treat this like it's some sports team bullshit. We're talking about tangible affect on people's lives. They'll jump from one team to the next, so long as it's not Bernie. It's whatever though at this point.
I'm terrified of finding out the answer to that hypothetical so lets just fucking pray it doesn't come down to a scenario where we have to find out.somewhat worryingly, when you put it this way, it makes me feel like it's way more likely
You are wrong. The contingency of "the DNC" that would sooner take Trump's re-election over Bernie's election is about as large as the Bernie or Bust contingency that certain Sanders supporters insist isn't real, or at least substantial enough to be taken seriously.I might be wrong here, but as a non-American, I get the jist that the DNC would rather have 4 more years of Trump than 4 years of Sanders. Nothing really would change within the party with 4 more years of Trump, while a Sanders presidency would shift things big time.
EDIT: looks like i've been wizarded already
Not sure why you are giving his summary of supposed positions any credence. Trump had a lot of 'supposed' positions that ended up being complete bullshit as soon as he took office. Expect the same from Bloomberg.I was just referring to his platform. Don't mistake my summary as an endorsement. I have no affection for Bloomberg. I didn't mean to speak to his quality or his honesty as a candidate, just the summary of his supposed positions.
I certainly hope I'm wrong and you're right. Sanders would be good for the entire world, not just USA.You are wrong. The contingency of "the DNC" that would sooner take Trump's re-election over Bernie's election is about as large as the Bernie or Bust contingency that certain Sanders supporters insist isn't real, or at least substantial enough to be taken seriously.
They may not be totally cool with it, but if Sanders wins the nomination, the party will support him. Perez will support him, Biden will support him, Obama will support him, Pelosi will support him, Clinton will support him, basically every moderate/liberal boogeyman you can think of will support him. Even Michael Bloomberg said he'll support him as a means of stopping Trump.
Oh of course, but the majority of pundits are backwards morons.I don't know about the DNC but I absolutely believe a lot of pundits would have a meltdown over a Sanders win, just looking at Chris Matthews.
I'd much rather believe theyre working behind the scenes with a plan than just being this insanely inept, but of course its the latter rather than the former and its super dispiriting.DNC is not orchestrating some vast conspiracy to stop Bernie. They just suck at their jobs a lot of the time, and people mistake their ineptitude for intention because, honestly, the idea that they are political masterminds is more comforting than the idea that a bunch of incompetents are supposed to be facilitating nationwide victories against Trump and Republicans.
It would be the same thing honestly.I don't think DNC prefers Trump over Sanders. What's more likely is that they'll give Trump the win by trying to undermine Sanders.
Not sure why you are giving his summary of supposed positions any credence. Trump had a lot of 'supposed' positions that ended up being complete bullshit as soon as he took office. Expect the same from Bloomberg.
I just can't stand people falling for this 'Bloomberg is a good billionaire' shtick (not saying you are, but people all over the forum ARE falling for it and I feel like mentioning his supposed progressive platform without all of his history that directly contradicts that platform contributes to it).
They are just that inept, though. Like if you spend any time looking into the app used in Iowa...it's just dumb mistake after dumb mistake. And they do this all over the country, state democratic parties are a clusterfuck.I'd much rather believe theyre working behind the scenes with a plan than just being this insanely inept, but of course its the latter rather than the former and its super dispiriting.
He wouldn't come out for Bernie early. Not a chance in hell.
I'm PRETTY sure that pundit is asking for Obama to weigh in to "stop" Bernie.I'd much rather believe theyre working behind the scenes with a plan than just being this insanely inept, but of course its the latter rather than the former and its super dispiriting.
He wouldn't come out for Bernie early. Not a chance in hell.
It would be the same thing honestly.
I figured as much, and I understand where you were coming from. Just wanted to put my two cents in.I understand what you're saying. Definitely don't think I'm encouraging anyone to support Bloomberg. Someone asked what his platform was so I remarked on the summary, but that was really all I'd intended to do. Someone like Bloomberg having comparable positions to other more genuine candidates is not a good thing to me. I just thought it was better than you'd expect from a billionaire who is only in the race to serve his own rivalry.
I didn't mean to suggest he was good, or honest, or trustworthy. But I also understand I didn't indicate otherwise either.
I use pretty neutral language in this thread when discussing candidates (see my SC post above, for example). I try not to tell anyone how to feel or challenge anyone on the candidates they support. I mostly go by the data. Just a habit leftover from when I was staff, I suppose.
I would personally eat Bloomberg before he was my preference for president.
Oh that was my read as well. They certainly aren't advocating for Obama to come out early in support of sanders. Would be pretty cool if he did tho!I'm PRETTY sure that pundit is asking for Obama to weigh in to "stop" Bernie.
Sorry I don't believe this FOR A SECOND.
Just too many incidents that favoured Pete.
Lol, Obama weighing in for anyone would be bad news.Oh that was my read as well. They certainly aren't advocating for Obama to come out early in support of sanders. Would be pretty cool if he did tho!