Depends on how big. If he wins by 10% or so, I think Bernie's still easily on top with Bloomberg murdering Biden's numbers. If he wins by 20+%, well, he probably takes the delegate lead (Might even drive everyone else into not qualifying for delegates) and things may get dicey for Bernie on ST with Bloomberg's coalition of hidden undecided voters mass switching.
I generally agree but then you've also got "establishment dem" policies like basically anything to do with foreign policy especially wrt the Middle East/Palestine and it's hard to call anyone that supports that garbage as a progressive on the foreign policy front though.
So you would agree then that the establishment is, at least partially, responsible for progressives getting the anti-establishment label? Because I guarantee you Cenk isn't the only one responsible for that.
Fortunately the President doesn't have that power.
Bernie and most other candidates have also employed superdelegates during the Presidential Primary. It's not unusual, and it's not being done in any sort of volume that would materially change the outcome of the Convention.
Did you mix up anti-Semitic and anti-establishment or something? I'm not talking about progressives being considered anti-establishment, I'm talking about how being anti-establishment has been leading to people being called "progressive" regardless of their actual policy views, behavior and history.
I see that. I always put an asterisk next to "progressive" when it comes to Sanders because of his centrist/ right wing voting record with regard to guns
maybe from his past votes but the current platform is pretty progressive
I just don't get how someone ignores all the stories about how Bernie must be stopped by the DNC, or early on the tension between the squad and Democratic Party leadership, or how the establishment rarely gets behind the most progressive candidates, particularly in primaries. But yeah it's everyone else's fault that people are conflating progressivism with anti-establishment.
A D- NRA rating is a lot higher than most dems who score 10 or less on their hundred point scale.
Mmm hmm. His repeated voting for the corporate interests of gun manufacturers over the interests of working people and their families will always be disgusting though.
I mean its graduate level students/professors. so I don't think we should dismiss it, but it does seem pretty silly.
seems pretty median from a glance at the list http://www.margieroswell.com/map_of_nra_grades_for_senators
that's fair. I'm pretty sure that his admin would be progressive on gun legislation though.
Bloomberg isn't just blanketing the airwaves with ads. He's been running a systematic influence-peddling operation with Democratic figures all across the country. Multiple stories have been written about it by this point. It's fucking terrifying and we can't just wave it away.
In things like competitive House races, the further left candidates don't get backed because they generally have a worse chance of winning the general election. Which we unfortunately saw play out in 2018 where the JD-backed candidates in contested primaries all faceplanted in the general election in purple districts, even the ones we thought were still good candidates like McGrath.
Great, so talk about that. But using the fact that his campaign employees two superdelegates as evidence doesn't help the argument that Bloomberg's actions are extreme or unusual, because that's very normal.
Not really, especially when as recently as 2016 they were tweeting quotes of his then current positions to support their own stances.
Probably should have kept it to the people running for President right now, but note that most of the people above him are no longer serving.
I didn't agree with Fred, but saying that he's progressive on guns would be ignoring his record and what even getting a D- as a dem means.
You wanna go down the "can't pass" road? Cause down that path is tears for everyone.
There's no mix up. I'm saying that maybe anti-establishment is synonymous with progressive because the establishment is vocally anti-progressive. Do you see the establishment attacking any other wing of the party as much as they do the progressives? The anti-Semitic stuff is in reference to the establishment condemning Ilhan Omar as anti-Semitic.
If you look at the list it's pretty much an urban/rural divide. I'm not sure the current senators would be much different.
Not enough time tbh
And that has what to do with Cenk?
This is still the 2012 data from Sanders comparing it to the newer ratings.
Some people still calling him progressive even after the writings, carpetbagging, the anti-Uinion stuff, etc, etc. Him being "anti-establishment" was all it took for some to just give him that label no matter what his actions or stances were.
people who really care about this issue are going to vote for Trump
His current rating is unchanged. The numbers are what the NRA had in February 2018.
A good first step would've been allowing gun manufacturers to be sued. But Sanders was against that.
most of the progressives have a huge problem with the union busting. It kind of seems like you're holding up Cenk as the head progressive or something, which isn't really the case. I've never even watched TYT lol
IIRC from the majority report, the assessment was made in 2012 and he has not been re-assessed
Go back and read what I said. Bloomberg is exploiting the ways that politics already work in this country on an unprecedented scale. Nowhere have I said that nobody else is doing it.
I'm not, I'm using him as a prominent example of the conflation of the two as synonyms when they're not synonymous because Cenk is not a good example of a progressive.
But this still isn't an example of that, as he hasn't hired an unusual amount of superdelegate staffers.
The NRA changes ratings when they feel something has changed to warrant a re-assessment.
Slippery slope to what?
exactly. and he absolutely might win by those margins. the polls are all over the map but some have him winning huge. and polls usually undersample older AA voters. we might be fucked
it's undeniable that he's gotten a lot more pro-gun legislation since 2016, at least, regardless of the NRA's opinion.
On the plus side early voting is a huge component of all this so narrative changes can only have so much effect.
Bernie is still in a very good position, even with Biden winning SC.
I'm really talking more about progressive bona fides and questioning overall how some issues seem to get left by the wayside when it comes to applying labels to politicians.
