Oh absolutely not. That was a viscous 2008 primary and coming out of it I was like no way he can make it. Started to change a bit when McCain picked his VP, though.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I agree with this, but I think it also may be an indication that Sanders betting on making an entire campaign about policy was the smartest thing. Even with the fun personality-based stuff like taking selfies, I think it was the emphasis on plans and seemingly backing up Medicare for All that was keeping Warren at the top with Sanders and Biden. The moment she started distancing herself from Sanders was when she slipped. And she continued to slip as she continued to get further and further away from her own initial campaign strategy. The whole thing sucks and it's frustrating even as a Sanders supporter. I knew it was unlikely we'd get Sanders and Warren at the end, but I still hoped. I wanted them both to outlast the moderates, even knowing that would mean a huge uphill battle for Sanders to win the nomination.
Yeah it's not an issue of whether or not the republicans will make things up. Of course they will. They'll say Sanders is a Russian pupped who wants to initiate communism in America. Some will play up his Jewish family because they're not above motivating the anti-Semites. It's a matter of what will stick, and nothing really ever sticks unless there's some tiny bit of something there. The Ukraine thing with Biden was stupid and wrong, but the notion of his son getting a job somewhere because of his last name is a real thing people really hate. There's not a lot of stuff like that for Sanders. They'll use the Castro thing in Florida, but that's about it.
I feel like if you're doing stuff like this because Joe Biden got a distant second and you didn't you should probably just drop out. Between this, his fight with 5th place Klobuchar at the debate, and the tweet storm where he included a link to his donation page 4 times I don't know how anyone thinks this guy is going to win anything.
Yeah people who think VP picks are irrelevant need to look at 2008 again.
Yeah but white people are infamous for claiming to have some small fraction of indigenous heritage. What's annoying is that of course all people have indigenous heritage, but instead of claiming our actual ancestral roots white people often try to cop Native American identity. Overall I think white people would really benefit from cultivating a more authentic connection to our past, our ancestors, our legacies, and our history.
I'm not sure they're super important. As long as it's not an egregiously bad pick like Sarah freaking Palin. Like at worst, they may not help. But a bad one certainly can hurt. At best, maybe they can win some extra votes here and there.
No doubt. Bloomberg could afford to take a stand against slave labor but since it will never cross his mind h'll continue to look bad.
Seeing Butt, Bloomberg, Klob, or Biden in front of her makes me sick.
It was never in doubt, after Palin got picked. You just knew he'd win. To be honest, his 2008 campaign had an energy I haven't seen since. It really was something.
There's history of VP picks making a difference. However, it's more that a bad pick will hurt the ticket but the difference between a good and decent pick is minimal and won't lift the ticket much either way.
Yeah VPs can't help a ton but they sure can fucking hurt if you mess up.
There was a lot of doubt about whether Obama could beat McCain, and Clinton also tried to create doubt over whether be would make a capable president even if he won. One of her most memorable advertisements during 2008 was one showing a phone ringing in the White House at 3am and asking viewers who they wanted answering that call.
After he got the nomination it gradually became clearer that he was going to win (hence the later nickname "no drama Obama"), especially when the scale of the economic crisis became obvious. At this point in 2008, however, he was viewed as a somewhat riskier candidate than Clinton.
Ah the good old days, when Sarah Palin represented the absolute nadir of Republican nominees.
How I miss that naive time...
I think this is right, people keep talking about how Sanders only has one speech, but it's the only one that is laser focused on shit that people care about. And while people here continue to claim Warren and Sanders are two peas in a pod, their difference in rhetoric matters alot. Sanders talks about class in a way we haven't heard in America in decades. He openly uses Marxist rhetoric about class warfare and how the rich are parasites upon their workers. That scares the ever loving fuck outta the pundit and donor class, who now have to cover a man that is resurrecting class consciousness in America. Warren just doesn't have the same bite.
Yeah. Nate Silver gave Trump like a 1/3 chance of winning and people were saying his model was way too generous, lol. Clinton was a foregone conclusion all the way up to election day.
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After September 08, the anxiety was more of a deep seated one of the Bradley effect. Surface level? Not so much. The recession just hit and McCain picked Palin when more actually cared about the suitableness of someone for president. Before September 2008? Tons of anxiety for sure.
After September 08, the anxiety was more of a deep seated one of the Bradley effect. Surface level? Not so much. The recession just hit and McCain picked Palin when more actually cared about the suitableness of someone for president. Before September 2008? Tons of anxiety for sure.
So this post got a 1 week ban for not providing commentary but this:
Didn't?
Lol
A 1 week ban? Is that normal? A warning would suffice. I need to read the rules.
That random ass Devonta jersey hanging in a South Carolina barbershop is turning me into a barbershop truther.
I read the modpost back when I got (rightly) banned for sniping against libs but I had no idea of the no commentary rule lol
Still can't decide whether I should give my SC vote to Warren or Bernie. I think Warren's comment about "we are all responsible for our supporters" is enough to say fuck it I am voting for Bernie even though it was her campaign that I gave money to.
what constitutes as commentary, posting like a 3 word blurb?
He called her a liar on TV rather than saying it was a misunderstanding, miscommunication, etc. I saw it the other way around personally. While I like Bernie, I found the whole incident appalling on Bernie and his supporters behalf. I guess he was right though, at least in this political climate, there is no way a woman can be president.
Well, I'm not a mod and can't explain their reasoning for them, but this looks quite straightforward: 1 is relevant news about an ongoing election, the other is (someone else's) opinion with no input or other relevant message from the poster.
I might be remembering things differently but I don't recall Bernie ever saying that Warren's a liar. You can see her polling drop after that debate as well.
Warrens got no chance in hell at winning SC. At least voting for Bernie you're helping him beat Biden.
I like Warren and would be happy to have her as the nominee but she's polling at 7% in SC, in 6th place... I don't know how the delegates are assigned, but as things stand now I would think she comes out of SC with very few if any delegates.
Depends how you like to vote. If you want to express your will then choose who you emotionally support. If you are trying to be strategic and want a greater chance of specific type of policy then choosing Bernie makes more sense as he has a better shot to beat Biden and every vote will count for him in SC.
he didn't say the words 'liar' but he basically said it during his defense.
No, he did not. That was the line that Warren told Bernie when he went to shake her hand. It is incredibly dishonest to frame the denial of someone's accusation as an attack on them.
It was by no means a sure thing. I remember being nervous going into the leadup and watching Obama's acceptance speech that night with a huge feeling of relief.
All he said was that he denied the claim that he told Warren a woman couldn't beat Trump. What you're remembering is Warren calling Sanders a liar immediately after the debate. The fact that neither of them have provided a detailed accounting of the exchange is strong evidence that sanders didn't outright say a woman couldn't beat trump.
This narrative that Palin hurt his campaign is not backed by polling at all.
By your standards then Warren essentially called Sanders a liar as well.
She intentionally left any context out when explaining it to try to make him look worse, and I think people saw through that.
She is done. I don't see any way forward for her campaign.
He's being very honest about what I'm fearing. That the moderates will be so reviled with socialism and Bernie that they will abstain or the more well-to-do ones vote Trump to protect their own finances.
I really want to see polling of "will you vote for Bernie or Trump if he is the nominee" asked those who aren't currently Bernie supporters.
The chances of Bernie get a majority (1991 delegates) are really low?
I just worked out that even if it's a contested convention to win a candidate will need at least 1604 delegates from the first ballot.
I just worked out that even if it's a contested convention to win a candidate will need at least 1604 delegates from the first ballot.
Yeah Bernie's about 5% away from Biden in SC as of a poll released today. At this point, you can pretty much just listen to what MSNBC predicts and expect the exact opposite to happen. It's beautiful.
lmao, this shit gets more and more desperate every time Bernie wins.
At a certain point these people will just have to accept that the electorate is leaving them behind.
Warren has failed to capture any meaningful demographic besides middle class white people. POC and working class people are building up behind Bernie. He has a movement, a coalition, and the platform that nobody else in this race has. If you think in your heart of hearts Warren is the best candidate and you want to vote for her, you can. But her path to winning is so narrow it might as well be a tightrope now. If you're most concerned about boosting the most progressive candidate in the race, the most likely to win, and the one most likely to beat Trump, you should vote for Bernie.
A Bernie win in SC, even by a margin, would more or less guarantee him the nomination at this point. So keep that in mind.
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