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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Caucuses begin at 10am nevada time (12pm central). I know we probably won't have results but I'm going to be up in well enough time to watch because primary season is my superbowl.... and it lasts for months!
Gimmie dem entrence polls.
Gimmie dem entrence polls.
iPads isn't Bloomberg? I'm not up to date on all the pet names. >.>
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iPads is in reference to the Nevada party moving from the Shadow app to something basically resembling a spreadsheet preloaded on an iPad. If the results don't come in anyway, that means the machines have won, and we must nominate Skynet at the convention.
edit: now that I read that it's pretty much Bloomberg so...
*When trying to get the bonus while entering caucus results*
There's a much subtler level of bs that I think contributes more to this behavior. Stuff like this:
The NYT changed it only after a bunch of thin skinned Bernie supporters complained incessantly about it. Mainstream reporting on Sanders exists within a reality distortion field.
Bernie needs to be within a few % of SC just to know where he stands with southern voters of color. if it is a repeat of 2016, then the primary has a new dynamic.
Was there actually any proof that that involved anyone from any campaign?There's a much subtler level of bs that I think contributes more to this behavior. Stuff like this:
The NYT changed it only after a bunch of thin skinned Bernie supporters complained incessantly about it. Mainstream reporting on Sanders exists within a reality distortion field.
You can read the article yourself here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/21/us/politics/michael-bloomberg-sanders-vandalism.html
To answer your question, no. But I don't even think the headline (with or without "slur") is an entirely accurate description of what Bloomberg's campaign has to say about the "attack." Almost like the entire article is junk.
Can you please explain?
So you are not supporting Sanders because you knew he would get attacked by left and right wing media outlets? Why specifically? Should that not make you want to double down and not let the "left wing" media control who you vote for?
more than that?
Wig snatchin and pearl grabbin. 😂
Bernie is out for blood. The Democratic party is his for the taking
They can't stop him, they can only hope to contain him
Wig snatchin and pearl grabbin. 😂
I think it means they want a candidate that doesn't have to fight against their "side's" media apparatus. I do agree it is a unique weakness but it does make me want to support Bernie out of sheer spite. In fairness, this was how Trump overtook the GOP as well. Popular spite and contempt are volatile forces, but they can carry you a long way.
Is it finally okay to be optimistic for Bernie? I feel like I'll just wake up and it'll all fall apart somehow.
I would say if Nevada goes off without a hitch, and SC is a clutched win, it's time to make room in the White House for a democratic socialist.
Circle March 4th on your calendar because that's when we'll hopefully be able to breathe easy.
Well, for starters, I'm Canadian. So I'm not voting for anyone here.
But to provide context for my argument, not letting the "left wing" media control who you vote for is a battle to fight that ought to be fought when the stakes aren't quite so high as they are right now.
Because we need Trump out of the White House. And if I believe that the American media won't actively allow someone like Sanders to win come November without doing their damnedest to stop him... whereas they probably wouldn't be so reticent about stopping someone like Warren or Biden, I'm going to prefer the "reasonable" non-Bernie alternatives.
That said, I would be shocked if Sanders doesn't clean up in Nevada whenever Perez deems it feasible to release the results.
you have to allow yourself to feel the Bern even if it means you might get burned.
It's the chaos timeline. A narrrrrow win in Nevada would not surprise me in the slightest. Total caucus fuckery would also not surprise me.
Going off without a hitch? That would be a surprise.
Going off without a hitch? That would be a surprise.
Taking off your mask, I see. I'll have you know repeated underscore has been polling quite well and has just as much a reason to stay in the race as anyone. In fact, underscore is the real news story here.
I'd say Bernie's got a solid chance of going into the convention with a plurality. The only thing that will stop him is if the establishment decides they want to destroy the Democratic party. There are far too many moderates who think that they are the chosen one, destined to finish that work that Hillary started in 2016. Their last chance to realistically beat Bernie is if most of them drop out by Super Tuesday to allow people to coalesce around a more moderate candidate. And that's not happening. I'm guessing most people will try to stay in until they run out of funding, and it seems like that will be long enough for Bernie to gain an insurmountable lead.
Of course, polling could be way off and things could change. It's a primary and things are always fluid. If Bernie gets 2nd or 3rd tomorrow that could change everything. I think he needs to keep his frontrunner status to win over the fence sitters and low propensity voters who are inclined pick whoever's most popular.
Not by a long shot. If he performs as well as 538 says he will, then he'd have a 1/4th of the delegates he needs to win. If he dominates Super Tuesday I think we could see more people coalesce around Sanders though.
A good friend once told me "its the hope that kills you"
I got a bit excited during the 2019 UK Elections and, well,
That's what I mean. If he does exceedingly well I figure there will be some dropouts. Which will give him more of a percentage in future matchups.
is this russia shit likely to actually hurt bernard tomorrow or
this news cycle makes me feel like its falling apart. if people see bernie as some russian toy were fucked
If he some how wins all of the california delegates, then a good case could be made that his delegate lead going into the convention over everyone else could be enough to force them to go with him. If he has 300 delegates more than the next candidate, it would be very bad if they tried to give it to someone else.
Not nominating someone with 26% of the vote won't destroy the party
My guess: it's long term hurt, because it's supposed to hurt the entire country.
I'm not so confident that people dropping out is good for Sanders. I think Warren dropping out would be good for Sanders. But for now the moderate candidates are splitting votes among themselves which prevents them from overcoming sanders base. There are really 4 candidates fighting for the moderate vote right now; Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, and Bloomberg. If 2 or 3 of them dropped out, that could be bad news for Sanders.
All that said, Sanders has been steadily rising in the polls. If he can win Nevada and outperform on Super Tuesday like people are expecting, then he's got this primary in the bag.
Absolutely! I have the utmost confidence he'll clinch the nomination and defeat Trump in November.
To be fair, mainstream media had no issues pushing the "Hillary is sick" or "but her emails" for months. Granted, that was more frequent once she got the nomination, but let's not pretend they didn't contribute to the negativity around her.
The only three I've ever seen fire for are Sanders, Warren, and Pete. Everyone else is just there. And Pete has the most moderate support, but he's hated by the black community. So if Amy and Biden drop out I see black support going full Sanders, which is good for him.
If you think the establishment can tell a 1/4th of their base to fuck off and still win elections then you've got another thing coming. I mean look at the Republicans, they don't have as many numbers but they get in line when their voters tell them to and it works. People were saying Trump would destroy their party in 2016, but he just made them even stronger.
Yeah that's a really good point. Biden dropping out would be great for Sanders. I really hope he drops out.
Well, he's an authoritarian and the party is authoritarian by nature.
What's the Democratic Party at heart?
He'll have more than that as he keeps winning contests. His national aggregate polling is about to crack 30%.
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