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Who's Going to Win South Carolina?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 585 39.2%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 853 57.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 24 1.6%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 7 0.5%
  • THE KLOBBERER

    Votes: 16 1.1%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Total voters
    1,491
  • Poll closed .
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Rats

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Ziltoidia 9

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I dont think it is a conspiracy, they just don't want the results to trickle out over a week again. I'd imagine they would be done within a few days. If they release results and campaigns are saying they are wrong, then you have to wonder.

www.newsweek.com

72% of Democratic voters believe Bernie Sanders would beat Trump in 2020 election, new poll shows

The results showing most Democratic voters believed Sanders would beat Trump in the general election were released three days before the Nevada caucuses.

Interesting poll, don't know if it's been posted here. Further data that most Democratic voters are actually pretty cool with Bernie, and a vote for a moderate isn't necessarily a vote against Sanders.

Then his ceiling in the primary is 72.
 

Damaniel

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You can't name a candidate that hasn't had absolutely awful things said about them here. Bernie is no unique victim in this regard.

Most of us who support other candidates aren't so thin skinned about it though. If someone says something even super super minor about him in the media (or even something completely benign - like mentioning him in the wrong order in election results), his supporters get really, really upset about it. At least it's mostly limited to his supporters and not the campaign itself - his campaign (ignoring a few of his surrogates) is actually pretty chill.
 
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Pete going negative against Bernie in SC. Going full SC pander with a black woman voicing the ad. Won't change your garbage support Pete!
 

lmcfigs

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Oct 25, 2017
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So tired of the Democratic Party in general. Russia gate really broke people's brains. Obviously I would support Buttigieg right now if it wasn't for propaganda. Clearly Bernie wouldn't be the most popular senator in America if Russian trolls didn't force America to like him.
 

Addie

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Tom Perez is and remains trash.

The point is to inspire confidence in the process and to have a process worth being confident in.
 

IMCaprica

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Been waiting for this shit to happen for a while now, whoever the candidate would be.
Exactly. If Sanders didn't run this time it would've been Warren. If Sanders loses the bots will spam Twitter and FB about a conspiracy to rig the election. If Sanders wins the bots will spam Twitter and FB about a conspiracy that the Russians want to replace Trump because Sanders is going to move America closer to communism. They'll use their villain status to try and manipulate Americans into not voting for Sanders.

The only potential positive to this is that Sanders may grab the opportunity to point out to everyone how blatant Trump is about Russia helping him. The article itself mentions Trump saying he thinks the Russians want Sanders. Just like in 2016 when he asked for the emails because he already knew they were going to leak the emails. It's more obvious now than it was 4 years ago. The fact that Sanders is calling out the timing of the story leads me to believe he's wiling to point this out publicly.
People up in arms about Bernie while Mike fucking Bloomberg remains in this race remains baffling
And paying people to flood social media with bullshit.
 

Ziltoidia 9

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I understand how medicare taxes go up for people if there was a M4A system, but I was wondering what happens with people already on medicare. Do they have to pay more money in the system? I'm talking with my mom right now trying to give her info.
 
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I understand how medicare taxes go up for people if there was a M4A system, but I was wondering what happens with people already on medicare. Do they have to pay more money in the system? I'm talking with my mom right now trying to give her info.
Don't know the plan specifics but there's no reason they should have to.

(The people already on Medicare are by far the most expensive cohort to treat because they are in the worst health.)
 

Volimar

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Which is better?




I dont think it is a conspiracy, they just don't want the results to trickle out over a week again. I'd imagine they would be done within a few days. If they release results and campaigns are saying they are wrong, then you have to wonder.



Then his ceiling in the primary is 72.


I disagree. 72% of people thinking he can beat Trump is not the same as a 72% approval. People thinking that this poll means all these people will line up for Sanders are misinterpreting.
 

lmcfigs

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Turns out Dr Jason Johnson is republican. This explains some of the derogatory statements he's made about black voters

 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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Caucuses need to be banned outright. They're the dumbest shit on earth. Any state that insists on them should get buried last on the calendar.

Dump them and go ranked choice and be done with it.
 

Terra Firma

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I understand how medicare taxes go up for people if there was a M4A system, but I was wondering what happens with people already on medicare. Do they have to pay more money in the system? I'm talking with my mom right now trying to give her info.
It depends on annual household income.

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Ziltoidia 9

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Don't know the plan specifics but there's no reason they should have to.

(The people already on Medicare are by far the most expensive cohort to treat because they are in the worst health.)

I was trying to tell her that it covers Vision, dental, and hearing, but she said it wouldn't because she has to have supplemental insurance. I don't think she realizes that need would go away?

It depends on annual household income.

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So if someone has already retired and on medicare, they would still pay the tax?
 

Volimar

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Don't know the plan specifics but there's no reason they should have to.

(The people already on Medicare are by far the most expensive cohort to treat because they are in the worst health.)


People already on Medicare do have out of pocket expenses, so whether or not they have to pay more in a tax sense would still likely be undercut by the lack of premiums, co-pays, and other out of pocket costs.
 

Terra Firma

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I was trying to tell her that it covers Vision, dental, and hearing, but she said it wouldn't because she has to have supplemental insurance. I don't think she realizes that need would go away?
The only supplemental insurance you'd need under a m4a is for aesthetic and medically unnecessary procedures, like rhinoplasties because you don't like your nose (but would be covered if you need a rhinoplasty after an accident).
 

Terra Firma

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So if someone has already retired and on medicare, they would still pay the tax?
As long as they fall into those income brackets, yes. Even so, unless their income is on the higher side, they'd end up paying less than they would for copays, deductibles, or for supplementary insurance because none would be necessary under M4A.
 

Rats

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I disagree. 72% of people thinking he can beat Trump is not the same as a 72% approval. People thinking that this poll means all these people will line up for Sanders are misinterpreting.
That's not at all what I was suggesting. But I feel like there's an attempt by some to portray the race as if Bernie is sliding to victory solely because the moderate vote is split. Favorability polls, head-to-head polls, and now this poll are all datapoints supporting a different narrative: even if Bernie's not the first (or even second!) choice of many voters, there's not a large desire out there to stop his rise, and people will show up for him in November.
 

Tukarrs

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I understand how medicare taxes go up for people if there was a M4A system, but I was wondering what happens with people already on medicare. Do they have to pay more money in the system? I'm talking with my mom right now trying to give her info.

It's 4% of income (for at least the first 60k. There's presumably more brackets) exempting the first 29 thousand dollars. So at 60k/year income, it's about $1200.

Less than 29k and it's free.
 

Ziltoidia 9

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It depends on annual household income.

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Dem millionaires having to pay a shit ton will get them to finally talk with the healthcare providers to lower costs.

It's 4% of income (for at least the first 60k. There's presumably more brackets) exempting the first 29 thousand dollars. So at 60k/year income, it's about $1200.

Less than 29k and it's free.


Does that include the 2% medicare tax we all already pay?
 

Volimar

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And people will keep defending him, and the dnc. As if they don't have a job and nothing is ever their fault


Isn't it up to the states to decide if they are caucuses or primaries? Like for Iowa they have to have a caucus because NH has a law that says they have to be the first primary, so if Iowa wants to go before them it has to be a caucus.
 

Ploid 6.0

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Now for something totally different. Candid Camera still alive talking about Caucuses in Nevada. That guy still looks the same.

Can anyone in Nevada explain the caucuses?
 

Ziltoidia 9

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K was explaining to my mom. She basically pays 2k a year from a set retirement salery (lol if the texas legislature would up a cost of living for them). Under Medicare for all she would save at least 800 since she wouldn't have to have supplementary insurance.
 

AdrianG4

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So sick of seeing female POC in particular black women getting attacked for supporting Sanders.

Look at the way some "prominent" members on this board treat Nina Turner. It is fucking disgusting.
 

Ziltoidia 9

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My mom says M4A sounds good on paper but they wouldn't be able to get it done so no use trying. But basically, that defeatism by the boomers is what has led us to a fucked up healthcare system as it is. It's so hard to get them to see the perspective.
 

Volimar

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I wish Turner had been able to beat Husted for Secretary of State. Might have been able to prevent some of the voter intimidation, roll purging, and other fuckery that Kasich and Husted masterminded in Ohio.
 

Volimar

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My mom says M4A sounds good on paper but they wouldn't be able to get it done so no use trying. But basically, that defeatism by the boomers is what has led us to a fucked up healthcare system as it is. It's so hard to get them to see the perspective.


Ask her why it would be worse to try and maybe not get it, than to not try at all?
 
Oh Shit It's Nevada Tomorrow! Second preference poll wrapup
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Citizens of Era! The second primary preference poll concluded, um, 2 days ago! I am shocked to announced that once again Bernie Sanders has walked away with the thing. Total surprise!

Next up, Nevada! You've got 16 hours to make your guess for the winner of the only Caucuses held in casinos, to the best of my knowledge.
 

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Most of us who support other candidates aren't so thin skinned about it though. If someone says something even super super minor about him in the media (or even something completely benign - like mentioning him in the wrong order in election results), his supporters get really, really upset about it. At least it's mostly limited to his supporters and not the campaign itself - his campaign (ignoring a few of his surrogates) is actually pretty chill.
None of the other candidates are up against the collective biases of both liberal and far right media. Not a single one. I don't disagree that harder-core Bernie sups can often be provoked into disproportionate counter-aggression, but I'd argue that this sensitivity is partially in response to their collective movement being vilified, misrepresented, downplayed, caricatured and slanderously attacked from every single corner of the political sphere. Almost every politician or political org to the right of Sanders has maligned him in some way, and his supporters see this. Imagine what it's like putting all that energy into just advocating for improving everyone's life and yet have to defend your political stance from maniacs like C. Matthews ranting to millions that you actually want to execute innocent people in a park.

No, I don't think it's fair to use the term "thin skinned" at all, Damaniel. They're hyper vigilant, sure, but how can you blame them when even MSNBC has invoked Nazism and compared them to genocidal murderers.

Like, you know, what the fuck?
 

UberTag

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Oct 25, 2017
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But those were right wingers (and mostly fringe) spouting that nonsense. Right now we have MSNBC, the supposed "left wing" mainstream news channel telling its (presumably) left-leaning viewers, that Bernie is a grotesque monster in the vein of Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

The point here is that even Liberals are engaging with the character assassination of Bernie and his supporters.
That should tell you all you need to know about how "left" a mainstream media outlet like MSNBC actually is. These people believe every boogeyman story about socialism that has been trumped up by their right-wing peers and legitimately fear the possibility of having their privilege taken away from them. And if you believe for an instant they'll all settle down and rally behind Sanders if he wins the nomination against their ratings golden goose that is Donald Trump and his autocratic dismantling of American democracy, I have some bad news for you.

And I say this not as a Sanders supporter. The reason I'm NOT a Sanders supporter is because I knew this response from America's supposed "left wing" mainstream media was coming.
 
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