Fine, but whatabout Sanders saying he would release comprehensive medical records and only releasing three very detailed letters explaining every single thing people wanted to know, he's completely untrustworthy.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Fine, but whatabout Sanders saying he would release comprehensive medical records and only releasing three very detailed letters explaining every single thing people wanted to know, he's completely untrustworthy.
I just can't with her anymore. Maybe instead of sacrificing her supposed convictions she should back the candidate who can actually build a successful grass roots movement.
she was on fire on debate might ethering Bloomber but then reverts back to campus tweets on PACs
She should probably update her website, specifically the FACT SQUAD
She should probably update her website, specifically the FACT SQUAD
I cannot stress enough how mad I would be at her campaign team if I was her. Last night was great and it was the first time in awhile it felt like who Warren actually was. 24 hours later and shes already back to shooting herself in the foot.
She went up on stage and made this argument herself at the previous debate tho?
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Warren is at her best when she's yelling about how the rich rig the politics and the economy, but Bernie is better at it (mostly because he's been doing it longer, more clearly, and more consistently). He occupies her supposed "lane" with such command that when he started building up momentum, her campaign went into hysteric denial and just became almost completely unrecognizable. She, personally, as a public figure (with no input from parasitic consultant class hangers-on) is going to have to reckon with the reality that she is in fact not the OG for leftist politics in the mainstream, and that she has no authentic path to winning the most votes in the primaries. She can continue to embarrass herself by sticking around and cozying up to the moderate wing of the party, or she can realize that she won't win and put her money where her mouth is by putting her full energy behind Sanders.
She's spent the entire race cooing to the left by saying she's totally, definitely prepared to empower working people and create an equitable society, while also doing whatever the fuck I'm supposed to take this as. She has stubbornly continued to insist on doing performative acts of Capitalism Love, including giving Trump a standing ovation for denouncing socialism. It seems she doesn't understand that these class antagonisms cannot and will not be resolved with nice, comforting compromise.
I used to believe she was simply naive. Whether she's that or actively preparing to knife the movement with whom she has insisted she shares a fundamental ideology for her own political gain is beginning not to matter to me; a distinction without a difference. The more the consistency of her principles spin madly out of control, and the more she adopts the posture of the party's last stand against Sanders, the more she seamlessly transitions from apparent friend a bitter enemy. And it's sad because it's entirely unnecessary.
I think I was trying to hang on to this line of thinking to kind of salvage her reputation in my head, but my ability to do that is being tested to its limits. Ultimately she alone has responsibility for her campaign's disastrous choices.
She's spent the entire race cooing to the left by saying she's totally, definitely prepared to empower working people and create an equitable society, while also doing whatever the fuck I'm supposed to take this as. She has stubbornly continued to insist on doing performative acts of Capitalism Love, including giving Trump a standing ovation for denouncing socialism. It seems she doesn't understand that these class antagonisms cannot and will not be resolved with nice, comforting compromise.
I used to believe she was simply naive. Whether she's that or actively preparing to knife the movement with whom she has insisted she shares a fundamental ideology for her own political gain is beginning not to matter to me; a distinction without a difference. The more the consistency of her principles spin madly out of control, and the more she adopts the posture of the party's last stand against Sanders, the more she seamlessly transitions from apparent friend a bitter enemy. And it's sad because it's entirely unnecessary.
I think I was trying to hang on to this line of thinking to kind of salvage her reputation in my head, but my ability to do that is being tested to its limits. Ultimately she alone has responsibility for her campaign's disastrous choices.
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At some point, we gotta stop blaming her staff.
I cannot stress enough how mad I would be at her campaign team if I was her. Last night was great and it was the first time in awhile it felt like who Warren actually was. 24 hours later and shes already back to shooting herself in the foot.
My guess would be she got huge exposure and momentum (short or long-lived, we shall see) from her cold open on Bloomberg and donors went from knocking on the door to banging.* Relatively strapped for cash she sees this as her opportunity to take the moment and rescue her campaign.
I cannot stress enough how mad I would be at her campaign team if I was her. Last night was great and it was the first time in awhile it felt like who Warren actually was. 24 hours later and shes already back to shooting herself in the foot.
* specifically resurrecting the notion that she could be the palatable progressive that the establishment/media would feel less threatened by
Elections can make weird conflicts rise up. I think Warren has done enough to not make me lose my hair over her annoying political strategies for this primary, especially as of late. She's still a very valuable ally.
Also, this. Low turnout and this pettiness/apathy is killing us.
Damn. This is where I'm at too but damn, that was a fierce read.
This is brutally honest. Great post. Warren has equally impressed and disappointed me.
Warren is extremely appealing to people who understand there's something deeply wrong in this country but find Bernie's revolution rhetoric scary. Bernie wants to incite the class war against billionaires, Warren wants to scold and shame them. Both Bernie and Warren have to operate within the system of capitalism as elected politicians in a capitalist country, but Bernie understands it's the root of the problem while Warren doesn't seem to even consider it a problem.
yeah a always imagined it was exactly this. americans are very afraid of rocking the boat. probably because we spend our lives here being told "WE'RE NUMBER ONE DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW LUCKY YOU ARE TO BE ALIVE HERE????!!!!!!" when in reality of course, many other countries do many other things much better than we do and as long as our current socioeconomic system stands untouched, we will never improve to the level they are at.
Hmm, for me, I like Bernie's policies I just wish literally anyone else was the vehicle for them. I do think Warren is a million times more equipped to address the country's many, many issues. If Bernie ends up in office, I expect him to be very ill equipped to actually govern whereas Warren would hit the ground running.
What about him makes him so terrible that literally anyone else would be a better option? Also the fact that he pushes for those policies and is willing to stand his ground and fight for them is why he's the best person to push for the them IMO.
I don't post much in this thread, but this such a weird take to me. Why?
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IIRC Mercury Fred points to a "pattern" of deception and bad behaviour going back to 2016 that he considers disqualifying. Examples include delaying release of tax returns, not releasing "full" medical records, not doing enough to disown toxic supporters, refusing to drop out of the 2016 race, etc. I'm sure there's much more he'd refer to with no hint of irony.
I think in some cases many who vehemently oppose Sanders supported Clinton in 2016 where he, of course, emerged as enemy #1 and remained that way for months. Anything he did went through a certain hyperbolic filter and it became impossible to dislodge for some. Online arguments with Sanders supporters no doubt made this far worse. Completely understandable, though it did mean when he launched his 2020 bid it was met with a built-in host of detractors who weren't about to back down.
This isn't to say that anyone who dislikes Sanders has the same origin story, or that there aren't valid criticisms of him or his campaigns, but I find this is a pretty common byproduct with people who were invested in the Clinton campaign.
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Man, one would think that after such a good debate and those great fundraising numbers for Bernie/Warren today would be a good day. Instead I log on to find Bernie death fanfiction, Warren going with Trumpy medical record attacks and Pete seriously implying that young minority PACs supporting Bernie are giving him filthy dark money worse than the wine cave money he gets from billionaires. Meanwhile Bernie is praising Obama's steady quiet approach to this primary. Can't wait for Pete and Warren to crow tomorrow about how March for our lives is somehow unsavory and divisive.
This party really likes to punch itself in the face when our man Barack isn't around, huh?
Between CNN's treatment of Ben Dixon, the view's take on bloomberg and Harry Reid's (head statesman of one of the most diverse states with a clearly massive Bernie minority vote) nonsense about Bernie not being qualified to be the nominee even if he has a plurality it goes to show that a large part of the Democratic party's traditional base clearly does not care what people of color think.
This party really likes to punch itself in the face when our man Barack isn't around, huh?
Between CNN's treatment of Ben Dixon, the view's take on bloomberg and Harry Reid's (head statesman of one of the most diverse states with a clearly massive Bernie minority vote) nonsense about Bernie not being qualified to be the nominee even if he has a plurality it goes to show that a large part of the Democratic party's traditional base clearly does not care what people of color think.
Oh that's what all the ignored posts must be. Still doing the weird anti-Bernie takes thing huh?
Shes reaching for anything and everything to keep her going.
That Bloomberg contract she pulled out during her vegas town hall had so much cringe in it. I mean she wasnt wrong at going at bloomberg, but the way of doing it seemed like beating a dead horse. It was like an SNL skit.
That Bloomberg contract she pulled out during her vegas town hall had so much cringe in it. I mean she wasnt wrong at going at bloomberg, but the way of doing it seemed like beating a dead horse. It was like an SNL skit.
I don't think following Warren's lead would be smart at all. If he released a full set of medical records you'd have people combing through stuff from decades ago and coming up with wild unsubstantiated theories about his health.
For most purposes, a full medical report is a full set of medical data for a person at that point in time. Even when it comes to medical assessments for things like social security (which is why I've seen so many medical records) the decision makers don't want a full history. They just want a current report.
Makes sense, and I don't necessarily disagree from my own observation, but I'd like to hear it in his own words. Thank you for answering though.
I don't really know if I can trust Bernie until I learn about his hemorrhoids from 15 years ago
tbh I feel like why sanders supporters are so angry has a lot to do with how 2016 went, how there was this prevalent attitude that nothing they wanted was realistic, which is where "bro" came from, as a way to belittle his supporters as a dumber hivemind. of course, Hillary lost and Bernie had better poll numbers against Trump than she did, which further fueled dismay against his supporters as a form of guilt perhaps. then through all the toxicity of 2016 people wonder why in Round 2 in 2020 they aint going to just put up with that shit.
I mean if ya'll were around in the GAF days in 2016, it was extremely toxic towards Bernie supporters. I'm glad we have come a long way.
Those were some dark times. It's kind of ironic what transpired after.
Oh nice. Had feared I might have been a bit off on a couple details
I thought the "bro" mostly stemmed from the suggestion that Bernie's supporters were only men (and it definitely was majority men)? Also was an effective way of trivializing his supporters as just 'bros' and not to be taken seriously, as you say
Plus it just rolls off the tongue
No, it was awesome being on the receiving end of your answering for me, hostility and personal attacks.
It's so interesting to me that I've argued against the term Bernie Bro here many times, argue against generalizing Sanders supporters, have affirmed I'd vote for him in the general and have said he deserves the nomination if he has a plurality of delegates but disliking him is a bridge too far and apparently justifies personal snipes and antagonism.
*shrug*
I mean generally speaking if there are Clinton supporters who still have a vendetta against Bernie, they should probably get over it by now...
Clinton herself still has a vendetta against Bernie and aired it very publically.
Yeah there's nothing productive about it, seems like this primary will be very tense regardless without airing said grievances.
I was matching your sarcasm with my own, friend.
Snipes and antagonism? Merely sharing my observations. And we can applaud you for taking some bare minimum reasonable positions, if you'd like, but it's generally the 99% of someone's commentary that shapes their reputation.
Very important(tm) commentary from Peter Coffin regarding this "oh, person with most votes should not be the candidate" bullshit that the democrat rivals of Bernie are pushing:
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Do not worry, he was selected to oversee the public executions. He is safe,for now. :P
I don't even know why they're parroting that toxic view it doesn't actually help them and worse harms them even if they get the nom in the end. Winning the nom isn't the be and end all. It can severely hamper your prospects if you fail in comparison to simply failing to get the nom. Why are they even arguing for such a poisoned chalice.
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