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Who's Going to Win South Carolina?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 585 39.2%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 853 57.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 24 1.6%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 7 0.5%
  • THE KLOBBERER

    Votes: 16 1.1%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Total voters
    1,491
  • Poll closed .
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Atlagev

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Oct 27, 2017
686
You really think Bloomberg would run ads for someone he accused of being a communist on live TV?

I mean, he's said he'll use his money to help whoever the nominee is. He's already got a huge amount of campaign offices around the country that he said he would use to help the nominee if it isn't him. I think even for Bloomberg, the "communist" is better than the fascist.
 

kambaybolongo

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Oct 25, 2017
14,084
Bloomberg went on the record again today to reiterate that he will support anyone who gets the nom if it isn't him. Bloomberg may not directly create a PAC for Bernie, but I feel more confident that he'll still spend to help Dem races in general and keep up the anti-Trump stuff. I'd like to see him massively fund some voter registration initiatives, though.
He's lying

If he's not the nominee he has no reason to do this.
 

Mekanos

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I mean, he's said he'll use his money to help whoever the nominee is. He's already got a huge amount of campaign offices around the country that he said he would use to help the nominee if it isn't him. I think even for Bloomberg, the "communist" is better than the fascist.

He's not under oath to do this.

Also history shows us rich people will side with fascism over socialism, time and time again.
 

GiantBreadbug

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Oct 25, 2017
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I am morbidly curious about how a Sanders-Warren head-to-head would look. They would be forced to directly compete in a way she's shown herself to be completely unprepared for based on her recent hogwash lines of attack on him ("divisive Bros," medical records, Bernie doing hearsay sexism). Bernie would continue doing what he does and yelling about the issues, and she would have no flank on his current voters whatsoever. The mysterious non-ideological average Democrat primary voter would likely just drift toward Sanders because they know him, and Warren would be left with her current base of ~12-15%, only making modest gains nationally.

It's too late for any of them to stop Sanders. Damn.
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
6,827
It's a meaningless hypothetical, because Bloomberg isn't going to spend like that on behalf of Bernie. The reason he's running is literally to try to stop Bernie from getting the nomination. Before getting in this race, he was speculating about running third-party to play spoiler to try to stop someone like Bernie from winning.

Bloomberg is never going to support Bernie. As such, there's no reason to bow to the idea of a plutocrat trying to buy the Presidency on Sanders' behalf.
I don't know how this notion squares with how he's essentially ended up siphoning votes from the other moderates and diluting their support which just ends up helping Bernie get bigger margins.
 

Rats

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Oct 25, 2017
8,117
I don't know how this notion squares with how he's essentially ended up siphoning votes from the other moderates and diluting their support which just ends up helping Bernie get bigger margins.
Inflated ego fostered by decades of being surrounded by yes men and genuinely believing he could end up as the winner?
 

julian

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Oct 27, 2017
16,820
You'll get press secretary Rogan and you'll like it.
What is this "press secretary" you speak of?

As to who will drop out. I'd be surprised if Klobuchar stays in if she has an abysmal Super Tuesday. Biden simply may not be able to afford to keep going if he doesn't do well - but hopefully Bloomberg plummets enough from that terrible debate performance, so maybe they both can survive a little longer. Warren just got a surge of fund raising, let's see if that translates to actual delegates. Pete....I've no fucking idea.
I just know I want Bloomberg out. His performance and his answers were so outright awful and at times offensive I don't just think he's a shitty human being, he's also a shitty politician. Who walks into a debate that unprepared?! I was on the "blue no matter who" before but his behavior was disturbing and his answers managed to be more sexist than Trump's. He couldn't even pretend to be sorry about stop and frisk for a whole minute. I was looking forward to seeing him getting destroyed all day yesterday and yet I'm still in shock at how awful he was.
 
Nov 20, 2017
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User banned (1 week): Trolling over a series of posts.
I am morbidly curious about how a Sanders-Warren head-to-head would look. They would be forced to directly compete in a way she's shown herself to be completely unprepared for based on her recent hogwash lines of attack on him ("divisive Bros," medical records, Bernie doing hearsay sexism). Bernie would continue doing what he does and yelling about the issues, and she would have no flank on his current voters whatsoever. The mysterious non-ideological average Democrat primary voter would likely just drift toward Sanders because they know him, and Warren would be left with her current base of ~12-15%, only making modest gains nationally.

It's too late for any of them to stop Sanders. Damn.

Man, just write a fanfic and beat your meat over it. What an icon that she's living in your head rent free.
 

Atlagev

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Oct 27, 2017
686
He's not under oath to do this.

Also history shows us rich people will side with fascism over socialism, time and time again.

You're right, he's not under oath, but he's already spent a ton of money on just anti-Trump ads. I just can't see him changing course, even if Bernie is the nominee. I guess we can only wait and see, though.
 

T0M

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Aug 13, 2019
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I am morbidly curious about how a Sanders-Warren head-to-head would look. They would be forced to directly compete in a way she's shown herself to be completely unprepared for based on her recent hogwash lines of attack on him ("divisive Bros," medical records, Bernie doing hearsay sexism). Bernie would continue doing what he does and yelling about the issues, and she would have no flank on his current voters whatsoever. The mysterious non-ideological average Democrat primary voter would likely just drift toward Sanders because they know him, and Warren would be left with her current base of ~12-15%, only making modest gains nationally.

It's too late for any of them to stop Sanders. Damn.

I can't see Warren being able to land any major shots on Sanders, their policy positions are just too similar. Unless the rest of the field is so committed to stopping Bernie that they pour their support behind Warren or Biden to catch him.

Barring some nonsense at the convention, this nom is Bernie's to lose.
 

danm999

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Oct 29, 2017
17,172
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NYT editorial board blown the fuck out

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Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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The thing is, I don't even get why people like Bloomberg are so afraid of Bernie in practical terms. Obviously the guy who screams that he hates billionaires and wants to tax them is not your friend if you're Bloomberg. But Bloomberg is seventy eight fucking years old! Given the unlikelihood of Bernie's first term ending with America becoming a Denmark-level Social Democrat welfare state, it would take close to a decade for Bloomberg to probably feel any serious effects of Bernie's policies, assuming Bernie got re-elected/his successor was also a Social Democrat.

So, what, a Bloomberg in his late 80s might be taxed to hell in the literal perfect homerun scenario to deprive him of his wealth? Do all the billionaires literally think they're going to Central Park the moment Bernie is inaugurated? Are all billionaires this insane?
 

danm999

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Oct 29, 2017
17,172
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I am morbidly curious about how a Sanders-Warren head-to-head would look. They would be forced to directly compete in a way she's shown herself to be completely unprepared for based on her recent hogwash lines of attack on him ("divisive Bros," medical records, Bernie doing hearsay sexism). Bernie would continue doing what he does and yelling about the issues, and she would have no flank on his current voters whatsoever. The mysterious non-ideological average Democrat primary voter would likely just drift toward Sanders because they know him, and Warren would be left with her current base of ~12-15%, only making modest gains nationally.

It's too late for any of them to stop Sanders. Damn.

The head to head polls suggest he'd narrowly win. They could be wrong of course, but since nobody else is dropping out until it's way too late we won't ever find out for sure.
 

Rats

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Oct 25, 2017
8,117
You're right, he's not under oath, but he's already spent a ton of money on just anti-Trump ads. I just can't see him changing course, even if Bernie is the nominee. I guess we can only wait and see, though.
He's spent the equivalent of what I drop on a Taco Bell order, lol.

Mike's not pot-committed. This is all just memes for him.
 

Sean

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Oct 25, 2017
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Legitimate question coming. (But first, keep in mind, I don't ascribe to a working person's socialist revolution, and I'd place myself in the social democratic Warren-esque capitalism-with-safety nets and non-distortionary redistribution camp.)

I'll submit to you that "normal," to many people, means "fulfilling one's fiduciary duties with the absence of scandal or Trumpian fuckery." In many respects, that is the "good old days," because I contend that many government agencies did, and do, carry out their statutory missions in that regard.

But I'll also listen too. What wording do you suggest would mean basically that? "Efficient" could work, but that seems sterile.

See, when I think "normal", I just think the status quo that's been going on my whole life of our government doing things at the behest of the 1%, corporations, and their lobbies. That's normal to me. Not "doing their job right". When I think normal in the government, I think corruption, and the Democrats are completely entwined in this. There's a whole lot of people who think of that as normal when it comes to the US government and they thought of it long, long before Trump was ever a thing. We run in very different circles, but I've never seen people on the lower end have much faith in the government in general. Many people just view it as inherently incompetent.

As for what else to call it? I don't really know. Maybe we really can't pin it down to one single word like that. It's probably bad to do so with the situation we're dealing with. Yeah, these past few years have been exhausting, but the fight isn't going to end just with Trump not being re-elected. We gotta keep having conversations, even about filling positions that you wouldn't know without a wiki, to make sure we're going to keep on the right track.

Sorry if that's not what you were looking for for wording there. I just want people who will do their jobs in the government, for the people, like they're supposed to, without the influence of money and power. Maybe eventually that can become normal.
 

T0M

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Aug 13, 2019
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The thing is, I don't even get why people like Bloomberg are so afraid of Bernie in practical terms. Obviously the guy who screams that he hates billionaires and wants to tax them is not your friend if you're Bloomberg. But Bloomberg is seventy eight fucking years old! Given the unlikelihood of Bernie's first term ending with America becoming a Denmark-level Social Democrat welfare state, it would take close to a decade for Bloomberg to probably feel any serious effects of Bernie's policies, assuming Bernie got re-elected/his successor was also a Social Democrat.

So, what, a Bloomberg in his late 80s might be taxed to hell in the literal perfect homerun scenario to deprive him of his wealth? Do all the billionaires literally think they're going to Central Park the moment Bernie is inaugurated? Are all billionaires this insane?

They're like dragons. How dare the government touch a penny of my hard-earned money made off the back of 1000s of minimum wage plebians!
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
30,744
The thing is, I don't even get why people like Bloomberg are so afraid of Bernie in practical terms. Obviously the guy who screams that he hates billionaires and wants to tax them is not your friend if you're Bloomberg. But Bloomberg is seventy eight fucking years old! Given the unlikelihood of Bernie's first term ending with America becoming a Denmark-level Social Democrat welfare state, it would take close to a decade for Bloomberg to probably feel any serious effects of Bernie's policies, assuming Bernie got re-elected/his successor was also a Social Democrat.

So, what, a Bloomberg in his late 80s might be taxed to hell in the literal perfect homerun scenario to deprive him of his wealth? Do all the billionaires literally think they're going to Central Park the moment Bernie is inaugurated? Are all billionaires this insane?
Bernie's worst voter group is older voters. It would make sense that the people most concerned about him would be members of that group, no?
 

Kill3r7

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Oct 25, 2017
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See, when I think "normal", I just think the status quo that's been going on my whole life of our government doing things at the behest of the 1%, corporations, and their lobbies. That's normal to me. Not "doing their job right". When I think normal in the government, I think corruption, and the Democrats are completely entwined in this. There's a whole lot of people who think of that as normal when it comes to the US government and they thought of it long, long before Trump was ever a thing. We run in very different circles, but I've never seen people on the lower end have much faith in the government in general. Many people just view it as inherently incompetent.

As for what else to call it? I don't really know. Maybe we really can't pin it down to one single word like that. It's probably bad to do so with the situation we're dealing with. Yeah, these past few years have been exhausting, but the fight isn't going to end just with Trump not being re-elected. We gotta keep having conversations, even about filling positions that you wouldn't know without a wiki, to make sure we're going to keep on the right track.

Sorry if that's not what you were looking for for wording there. I just want people who will do their jobs in the government, for the people, like they're supposed to, without the influence of money and power. Maybe eventually that can become normal.

How do you do your job, not being beholden to money and power, when it depends on getting funding from congress?
 

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Nov 7, 2017
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Bernie's worst voter group is older voters. It would make sense that the people most concerned about him would be members of that group, no?
Ok but Bloomberg isn't a random older voter lol, the dude has billions of dollars. He could be taxed at 99% which we know won't happen and still be able to die in luxury with plenty of money to hand down to his kids/grandkids whatever.
 

Rats

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok but Bloomberg isn't a random older voter lol, the dude has billions of dollars. He could be taxed at 99% which we know won't happen and still be able to die in luxury with plenty of money to hand down to his kids/grandkids whatever.
It's his divine right for he and his progeny to lord over the unwashed masses.

Or at least that's how he was acting last night.
 
Aug 12, 2019
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The thing is, I don't even get why people like Bloomberg are so afraid of Bernie in practical terms. Obviously the guy who screams that he hates billionaires and wants to tax them is not your friend if you're Bloomberg. But Bloomberg is seventy eight fucking years old! Given the unlikelihood of Bernie's first term ending with America becoming a Denmark-level Social Democrat welfare state, it would take close to a decade for Bloomberg to probably feel any serious effects of Bernie's policies, assuming Bernie got re-elected/his successor was also a Social Democrat.

So, what, a Bloomberg in his late 80s might be taxed to hell in the literal perfect homerun scenario to deprive him of his wealth? Do all the billionaires literally think they're going to Central Park the moment Bernie is inaugurated? Are all billionaires this insane?

Dragon sickness is a hell of a thing.
 

Cheapstare

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Oct 25, 2017
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The thing is, I don't even get why people like Bloomberg are so afraid of Bernie in practical terms. Obviously the guy who screams that he hates billionaires and wants to tax them is not your friend if you're Bloomberg. But Bloomberg is seventy eight fucking years old! Given the unlikelihood of Bernie's first term ending with America becoming a Denmark-level Social Democrat welfare state, it would take close to a decade for Bloomberg to probably feel any serious effects of Bernie's policies, assuming Bernie got re-elected/his successor was also a Social Democrat.

So, what, a Bloomberg in his late 80s might be taxed to hell in the literal perfect homerun scenario to deprive him of his wealth? Do all the billionaires literally think they're going to Central Park the moment Bernie is inaugurated? Are all billionaires this insane?

Good old fashioned class solidarity
 

danm999

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Oct 29, 2017
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I still think Bloomberg's line about how he can't release his taxes yet since he has so much money and he can't use Turbo Tax is like, the recipe to lose 40 states in a General Election.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Ok but Bloomberg isn't a random older voter lol, the dude has billions of dollars. He could be taxed at 99% which we know won't happen and still be able to die in luxury with plenty of money to hand down to his kids/grandkids whatever.
Sure, but you're assuming that's the motivation of the guy with billions to burn on a campaign with billions to spare who could never possibly run out of money. Which I don't think quite matches with how he's behaved for the past few years and how it's differed from his rumored plans in 2016.
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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I still think Bloomberg's line about how he can't release his taxes yet since he has so much money and he can't use Turbo Tax is like, the recipe to lose 40 states in a General Election.

After that debate I'm half-convinced Bloomberg vs. Trump ends with every state but California, Hawaii and New York going red.
 

Kirblar

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Oct 25, 2017
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After that debate I'm half-convinced Bloomberg vs. Trump ends with every state but California, Hawaii and New York going red.
Bloomberg's campaign apparatus + Bloomberg as candidate would be a disaster.

That apparatus + Non-Bloomberg (even if it's more generic vote blue stuff) would be fantastic.
 
Nov 20, 2017
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I'm not playing victim. I am happy Sanders is doing well. I wouldn't wish death on someone because im mad other people are happy tho. Kinda fucked up.

I wasn't wishing death on Bernie. You were asking about 'reality' and I was describing it.

Study: 65% of older MI patients die within 8 years

About two-thirds of patients older than 65 who experience a myocardial infarction die within eight years, according to a new study—and nearly half die in that timeframe even if they receive percutaneous coronary intervention (PCI) or coronary artery bypass graft (CABG) surgery.

Patients were a median of 77 years old at baseline, 52.5 percent were male and 13.3 percent were nonwhite.
In the overall cohort, the median survival was 4.8 years, including 8.2 years for those aged 65 to 74 and 3.1 years for people over 75. Eight-year mortality rates were 65 percent overall, 49 percent for those undergoing PCI and 46 percent for CABG patients.
 

Mekanos

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Think if I showed my dad some debate clips from last night he'd be shaken out of his "maybe Bloomberg can throw billions of dollars at the election and beat Trump" idea.
 
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