Turns out doing the thing thats routinely not helped her numbers will continue not helping her numbers \_0_/
He wont actually. Unless the democratic party wants to no longer exist in any competitive capacity moving forward.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Why is it OK for Bernie to get that PAC's support? Because you like their message?
They're pretty much not even aimed at Bernie himself, since as you say, they've never proven particularly effective at reducing Bernie's support specifically, it's just all about signalling to old white centrists that support the other candidates to support her instead, which is why she spent a lot of time attacking Pete and Klobuchar during the debate. It's all this weird back and forth dance her campaign is sort of forced to do, where she has to be this left-wing firebrand in one moment to maintain the respect of the left of the party but also engage in this embarrassing petty sniping that suburban white 50 year olds seem to vote exclusively on.
Wasn't Warren saying how Amy and her aren't the only ones taking PAC money? Why did she do a 180?
Again, this just showcases the candidates total ignorance regarding the medical field when they make statements like this. Not like this warren.
This was discussed yesterday. He said that it would be a comprehensive medical report, and that's what he delivered. If you want something else on top of what he released, please be specific. No-one has been able to yet, from what I've seen.
Warren's excuse for not disavowing the PAC is really weak too
being disingenuous about a political rival to gain an edge is expected but her literal elevator pitch as a candidate likely involves fighting against the corrupting influence of money in politics and being different than most of the politicians in washington because of that fight. going "well they do it too" is pretty hypocritical to that pitch.
being disingenuous about a political rival to gain an edge is expected but her literal elevator pitch as a candidate likely involves fighting against the corrupting influence of money in politics and being different than most of the politicians in washington because of that fight. going "well they do it too" is pretty hypocritical to that pitch.
despite her amazing performance last night the reality of her campaign is that she's been bleeding support ever since she got hit on M4A and her campaign has been flailing ever since trying to make some gains
Definitely for the Primary. I suspect Bernie has a lot of quasi libertarian and gun loving dem fans who might rankle a little at it, but in the general it's poison to a few potentially changeable Trump voters. Mind you, having that group as a kind of proxy reduces his need to campaign on it personally - so maybe?
I don't personally want any of these kinds of groups to exist because I want all elections to be strictly publicly funded. I'm just remarking on the fact that Warren's campaign is incredibly desperate to finally get back on their feet and has changed it's messaging a lot in the last few weeks as it flails around trying to catch fire again.
But I do also think ads from nurses unions or climate change activists are probably less harmful for our society than others, yes.
It's because Bernie "changed his mind" to a much better and reasonable position. Both politically, and from a professional medical perspective. He made statements about comprehensive medical record release (a post earlier in this thread went back and looked at all of his statements and it's hardly even certain he meant every single medical record), and he's released more than sufficient records that are accepted by professionals in the field of medicine.
Asking beyond that is stirring up controversy for controversy's sake. Any candidate still grasping at this point is being willfully disingenuous or is just incredibly ignorant.
That's kind of shocking given his historical tepid appetite for gun control/reform.
She's turning into the Susan Collins of the left now, meaning that she's trying to get the support of centrists and progressives at the same time, but all she ends up doing is flip-flopping and upsetting everyone. At least last night's debate proved that, unlike Collins, she's still got that passion and fire in her eyes that really makes her stand out in debates. And, well, we don't get statements of "concern" from Warren either.
It stinks. She's been my number one pick for this primary, but the last month or two of her campaign has been painful to watch. =(
He will actually. Unless he doesn't want the nomination.
DisagreeHe didn't change his mind. People moved the goalposts.
Bernie did release his medical records. Now folks are moving goalposts to claim he hasn't.
Update: here is a link to Sanders’s medical information. As I speculated in the diary, and it turns out I was correct, it includes results from December tests, which explains the rationale for waiting until December to release this assessment. Bernie...m.dailykos.com
Multiple medical professionals have confirmed that what Bernie released is comprehensive. This is nothing but a disingenuous ploy.
OK sure, but one could argue the same thing about Warren's position change.
Generally the only thing a VP brings you is a shot at the VP's state, if it's in play, so it's hard to see why Bernie would pick Warren (or Pete).
What are your medical credentials, and why is your opinion on this matter more valuable than all of the medical professionals who have weighed in?
Also, what kind of information would be in Bernie's "full medical records" that we don't have at the moment. Please be specific.
I'm sure people won't like the idea but Beto would be great since he's doing fuck all right now (wouldn't risk a Senate seat) and would give a solid image of youth and energy to the campaign while also maybe putting Texas into play more.
That's fine, I'm simply tired of hearing about this medical record nonsense, and as someone who is actually in the medical field I cringe at armchair physicians demanding a "full medical record release" when 3 independent physicians have reviewed his medical history and provided their assessment. I also cringe at candidates who continue to propagate this nonsense because it makes them look fucking stupid; and after a stellar debate Warren really doesn't need to dumpster dive for "oppo."
Yeah let's let the DNC pick Bernie's VP because they were so good at picking the right candidate last time. Great idea.
Beto is hard at work working to shift local elections blue in Texas so that's a little unfair to say he's doing fuck all. I get that he's not holding office. I wonder if him on the ticket would have the same impact or more on local Texas elections
Two white guys? Pass. It has to at least be a woman, preferably a woman of color.
Not getting the nomination is one thing. Ending the Democratic party forever over it is significantly worse and it will be hilarious to watch them do it if they don't understand that. If they try to refuse him the nom over a VP pick their party is done. Dems have FAR more to lose playing this game than he does. He holds all the cards in this scenario.
I guess if you really scale it back super far out, from a distance the instances of "Bernie said he would release his medical records, then decided to just release medical records specific to this incident that are good enough anyway" and "Warren literally like a week ago said she refused super pacs and denounced everyone else for having them and now did a 180 for transparently desperate political reasons" are actually the same thing, but to me the latter comes off as at least a little bit less justifiable in good faith.
There is literally no reason the internet should be able to pour over any of these people's detailed medical records, it's absurd. All some people want is for Bernie to release the results of a physical so twitter "experts" can express random concerns over any detail in it they find that normal people don't understand anything about. It's akin to the reaction over Hillary's fainting. Continuing to pick it at serves no purpose, and the candidate responding to it only gives more ammo to people who aren't actually interested in the results to begin with.
There is literally no reason the internet should be able to pour over any of these people's detailed medical records, it's absurd. All some people want is for Bernie to release the results of a physical so twitter "experts" can express random concerns over any detail in it they find that normal people don't understand anything about. It's akin to the reaction over Hillary's fainting. Continuing to pick it at serves no purpose, and the candidate responding to it only gives more ammo to people who aren't actually interested in the results to begin with.
I'm not a doctor, but I play one on TV.
The statement was originally "all of our medical records." I didn't make that statement nor did I ask for that statement. Now that has changed to a more limited scope. And that's fine, but it is at minimum a change and at worst the breaking of a promise.
Same, tbh. It's not even about the records so much as it is about applying a consistent standard to all candidates around changing positions, etc.
Yeah, he doesn't appeal to the Democratic base nor is he charismatic. He also is somehow worse at dodging an attack. He is Trump with none of his street smarts.
I mean, sure, burn it all down for being expected to make a tiny compromise in the scenario that Sanders could only achieve a plurality. Sure, why not? Sounds "hilarious."
To be honest if Bernie has to pick, like, Klobuchar as a VP to convince the convention to get him over the threshold I'm 100% cool with it. Whatever works, as long as it's not someone transparently awful. I can't imagine anyone who would enjoy the position of attack dog more than her anyway.
Can you even find what Bernie has released online? Real question, there are so many stories about it, that I can't actually find what was released. It's buried somewhere under 100 news stories.
If Bernie is the plurality winner, but can't just be pushed over on Vote 2 by SuperDelegates (which is the reason they're there in the first place, btw.) he'll need to make a deal, just like a ruling coalition would in a parliamentary system. This is why no one will just promise to surrender months in advance, because they lose all leverage in those negotiations if they promise to roll over to whoever's in first place no matter what.
One potential positive thing about a deal- it can let you shed bad G.E. positions going into the general election (old school GE pivoting) in a way you might not be able to otherwise in modern US politics due to the 24/7 Media Cycle.
One potential positive thing about a deal- it can let you shed bad G.E. positions going into the general election (old school GE pivoting) in a way you might not be able to otherwise in modern US politics due to the 24/7 Media Cycle.
Imagine arguing Bernie's health/age should be a consideration and then at the same time saying that the DNC picking his VP is a "tiny compromise" lol
good stuff.
I agree. Were talking about the DNC in this situation tho, right? Because letting their party burn down over a fucking vanilla mayo pick no one wants is worth it apparently. If they dont want to play this game, no one is forcing them to play it. Its entirely their decision with what they want to do here.
Klob would just need a stapler to become pres if that were to happen.
I also don't know why Warren wastes time on Bernie - her support in the last few months went to other candidates, not him.
The guy with D- ratings from the NRA gets the endorsement? Bernard, please do better and get an F instead ok thanks.
No, you are not. The DNC runs the convention. The people Bernie would be negotiating with in order to make a deal would not be the evil SPECTRE-esque DNC. It would be the other candidates.
A US political convention works like a EU multi-party parliament. With the nomination replacing the ruling coalition and the candidates taking the place of the parties.
He's released a few doctors' letters. Politico has PDFs of them--
It seems different candidates have released different amounts of information about themselves. Warren's, for instance, was more comprehensive.
Elizabeth Warren Is First Democratic Hopeful To Release Medical Records
The Massachusetts senator and presidential candidate is in “excellent health,” Warren’s physician attested.
I'm sure Abrams, Gillum or Castro would love a VP spot but I do see where they're coming from since Beto had a strong run against cruz and Texas is probably more in play than it's ever been.
That's been Warren's strategy for a while. Hope for a contested convention and push yourself as the unity candidate that can defeat Trump. The problem with that is that there's no way Warren is securing the nomination if she's running at 4th or 5th in delegates, on top of that she frequently polls the worst in H2H matchups against Trump compared to Bernie/Biden/Bloomberg. She needs to start winning states.
Yes, because the medical records is a manufactured issue.
Warren taking Super PAC money isn't. It's actually important.
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