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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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What is Bernie supposed to do about a loud minority of people engaging in toxic behaviors? He already condemned them and said he doesn't consider them a part of the movement. I'm honestly not sure what else can be done besides Bernie personally asking each and every one of their accounts to stop being shitheads.
Cackling at the idea that she and her cabal of political consultant hacks think they can snake their way through the primary to force a contested convention and get my vote as a resultant "unity candidate"
Because that will never fucking happen!
Warren was asked a question and she answered. Bernie doesn't know everything his supporters are saying or doing, and I don't know how clear it is that Sanders supporters are exclusively being assholes, but the Warren/Bernie thing from last month did showcase a lot of crap that I do no like to see.
I don't know. Trump's political platform certainly emboldened alot of shitty, racist people to be more publicly shitty and racist.
Over and over I feel like Warren panics when cornered, and this doesn't do much to dissuade that feeling. She was better off going on the offensive to candidates besides the one most ideologically aligned with her.
Pretty much.
Pretty much.
How have we arrived to a point where Bernie needs to account for every single one of his online supporters who have ever said a mean word so that we can be civil and polite while in a battle with a PoS like Trump?
Like god damn are Dems good at losing.
Like god damn are Dems good at losing.
Lololololololol
After 2016 people are still getting worked into a shoot by randos on Twitter that may or may not be a Russian troll.
I've got to be honest, I don't get Warren recently. I was firmly in her camp as she had the same policies as Sanders, but looked to be more likely to get moderate votes just by telling emotional stories. At some point in the last month or so, its felt like she's just trying so hard to differentiate herself from him that it comes across as petty. I'm not even sure if I'd be interested as her being VP anymore.
They are to an extent. Like there's no doubt that Trump riles up and incites violence against minorities, protesters, and the media but it's not like Bernie has been doing anything equivalent to that online.
I don't know what that means either and I don't think the post warrants the ban (based on what I can see).
I don't think so either. I don't even know that a warning would be warranted.
This is the exact playbook that was used against Occupy: Fixate on decorum and ignore any substantive issues.
An angry crowd is never polite, so no groundswell political movement can ever pass the "decorum" test. It's an argument that is meant to attack the type of support Sanders has (grass-roots, passionate, uncoordinated) rather than anything of substance in the support.
An angry crowd is never polite, so no groundswell political movement can ever pass the "decorum" test. It's an argument that is meant to attack the type of support Sanders has (grass-roots, passionate, uncoordinated) rather than anything of substance in the support.
I'm not a politician or a political consultant. It's not for me to figure out.
I guess he could shitcan some of his more toxic high level staff?
He'd need toxic high level staffers to be able to shitcan them though.
Union strikers aren't polite either but that does not nullify the justice of their cause or the necessity for people of good will to support it.
Who is "toxic high level staff" for Bernie?
Bernie has been preaching literally the opposite of what the vocal minorities online have been engaging in. I'm failing to understand how he is supposed to be responsible for their behaviors.
For someone like Trump, for example, you can pinpoint his rhetoric and tone that gets people into a frenzy/encourages their worst impulses. It's a direct contrast for Sanders.
exactly. If she's serious about her comments here, she's a worse candidate than I thought.
She isn't. And to be honest, fuck the Culinary Union and anyone else opposed to Medicare For All. There is no good argument for the half-measure bullshit that Buttigieg and the like are proposing. The CU got called out for distributing FUD fliers on M4A and rightly so.
Same. I never put Warren as someone who plays political games, which is something that I actually liked about her. These past few months have had some very dishonest sniping from her campaign.
I side eye any democrat that opposes Medicare for all. It screams "eww I don't want to have the same healthcare as poors"
culinary union leadership is pretty much "fuck you got mine"
also warren Has shown her true colors and she stinks. I don't even want Her floated as a vp anymore.
Gosh there's so many! Turner, Sirota, Weaver, Gray, etc.
No, she definitely is.
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You bernie people around here are delusional as fuck. The average Bernie bro on twitter is just as toxic if not more so then the trump fuckheads. Say a word that is even slightly not positive about Bernie and its like the Mongol fucking horde comes rolling in to rape and pillage
The illusory truth effect murmuring in liberal echo chambers that has boogeyman'd the likes of Sirota, Turner, and Gray will never cease to be demented and also a little funny because like seven people feel that way
quick question: what the fuck?
quick question: what the fuck?
No she isn't. Being polite with Trump gets you nothing.
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Let's be real here, there's nothing Warren could do besides drop out and endorse Bernie that you people wouldn't bitch and moan about.
She attacks other candidates; I wish she would focus on policy. She focuses on policy; she just seems so boring. She avoids bringing up that she's a woman; man why isn't she talking about her experience more. She talks about being a woman and facing sexism; Omg always with the identity politics. She panders to center left voters; what a misstep jeez. She panders to far left voters; she's still unelectable, did you know she used to be a Republican???
Just take the masks off already.
She attacks other candidates; I wish she would focus on policy. She focuses on policy; she just seems so boring. She avoids bringing up that she's a woman; man why isn't she talking about her experience more. She talks about being a woman and facing sexism; Omg always with the identity politics. She panders to center left voters; what a misstep jeez. She panders to far left voters; she's still unelectable, did you know she used to be a Republican???
Just take the masks off already.
You're not wrong, based on my experiences interacting with self-identifying Bernie supporters... just wrong in terms of using the word "average". Most Bernie supporters are silent majority types, I'm sure.
Also, it's worth remembering that the participants in this thread are not at all representative of the electorate.
Yes, Bernie Bros are just as toxic as MAGA white supremacist Trump voters. They are literally rapists. Thank you for the nuance.
Nice generalizations.
Yup. Healthcare is a human right. Anyone who disagrees can go in the deplorable pile.
She should probably just drop out and endorse Bernie then since she has literally no path to the nomination outside of a contested convention, and even then she'll have a pitifully low number of delegates
yeah I don't think the people who criticized her for being too far left are the Bernie supporters here. but go off
I have no problem with the average Bernie supporter. Hell I am voting for him at the end of the day if he is the nominee. It just really frustrating to see people deny what everyone else sees. Sanders can certainly do more including getting right into the face of his Toxic element and say chill the fuck out. At least when I criticize trump all I get are wackjob conspiracy people spouting crackedout garbage. Say something about Bernie and they are ready to burn you at the stake for not being a real democratYou're not wrong, based on my experiences interacting with self-identifying Bernie supporters... just wrong in terms of using the word "average". Most Bernie supporters are silent majority types, I'm sure.
Also, it's worth remembering that the participants in this thread are not at all representative of the electorate.
Well I can safely say I've never seen a Bernie supporter call an entire group of supporters rapists, so there's that.
Unlike the broad generalizations of everyone that's not a Sanders supporter being some establishment shill? Blaming Democrats for "lining up behind Bloomberg" when literally every candidate is launching full throated attacks against him? Grouping everyone who disagrees with you into the amalgamous blob of "the establishment" is a good way to build coalitions after all.
Yea it would be a real shame for a candidate with no chance of winning the nomination to fight all the way to the convention just to take ideological shots at the eventual nominee.
My point is she could literally advocate for the abolishment of capitalism and full worker control of the manufacturing sector and people would still jump through hoops to point out she registered as a Republican.
i too agree that people angry about a world dying around them and a system that has failed them and in many ways has been designed to keep them miserable and in debt are exactly the same, even more toxic even, than the people screaming about how all muslim people in the country must be deported
Imagine calling other people toxic while making comments like this.
I was in the same boat. She flubbed her messaging hard. I think it started around M4A and went downhill from there. I think she's still super smart and if she remains in the Senate, I'd be happy, but she can't run a Presidential campaign clearly.
Clearly it's just the discourse around Bernie and not Internet subculture in general. Just look at Kobe supporters when it comes to people Gayle King.
I think some of those Dems would rather have Bernie lose than Bernie win.
As for toxicity- when you have the mainstream media going Toxic on Bernie aka Chuck Todd, it's no surprise a few of his supporters want to hand out a receipt, even though it's wrong.
I'm so over people talking about toxicity with bernie bros who also constantly bring up the women of color on Bernie's staff as qualifying as such because they made a mistake over terminating some employee in the past. Everyone here knows what youre doing.
She's bad at doing all of these things though. She attacks Bernie on dumb disingenuous bullshit like "mean supporters" and "He's funded by DARK MONEY". Her policy pitch is wonky and doesn't excite people. And the rest of your examples are made up. No one asked her to run on identity politics and no one really cares that she's doing it.
There's my mask off moment. I'm not sure what you're expecting though.
Stop talking past people here and address the posts actually being written here. Beating up a strawman isn't productive.
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