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Who's Going to Win South Carolina?

  • Joe Biden

    Votes: 585 39.2%
  • Bernie Sanders

    Votes: 853 57.2%
  • Elizabeth Warren

    Votes: 24 1.6%
  • Pete Buttigieg

    Votes: 7 0.5%
  • THE KLOBBERER

    Votes: 16 1.1%
  • Tom Steyer

    Votes: 6 0.4%

  • Total voters
    1,491
  • Poll closed .
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Sidebuster

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Oct 26, 2017
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I think the threat he represents to the Party and the future of this country should he sabotage the election justifies this type of response.
Yes, seeing as how the sabotaging is underway, they have a clear sight of the dissidence the left side of their party is causing, they should already be moving away from him with some boilerplate speech. I mean for god sake, we pretty much forced Al Franken to step down on allegations of sexual harassment in short order. Back then (like what 2 years ago?) we'd have never even floated the idea of running somebody like Bloomer. WTF happened? (rhetorical I guess, money happened)
 

RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
14,106
Glad your desire for civility is more important than a literal oligarch showing every billionaire that they can just buy leadership.
I really don't get where you got my desire for civility from that. I don't give a flying fuck about civility. I'm pointing out there are no good options considering the situation. He kind of has them hostage. The only way to beat him is for the candidates themselves to crush his shit in.
 

thecouncil

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Oct 29, 2017
12,341
Why aren't all primaries done on a single day? Why do we set expectations based on these small states and have people drop out as a result with other states looking to the example set by the smaller ones? I don't get it.
 

gozu

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Oct 27, 2017
10,345
America
Doctor's salaries etc will definitely need to be lower but I think Sanders should drop the no copay thing, even a very small amount like Sweden's $5 thing would make people think twice

Will Doctor's salaries be lower though?

Remember, Doctors have to hire and pay people specifically to fight with health insurances who are constantly trying to screw over their patients (I have personal horror stories, and I have had "good" insurance for decades) and people who deal with dozens of insurance with varying copays, deductibles and patients who have no idea how the fuck deductibles work.

Those people get paid money. Let's say $40k/year per person. If medicare lowers Doctor's fees somewhat, they will save those 40k.

If people can afford to go to the DR. They will go more often. More patients = more money.

Finally, the vast majority of Doctors get into that career to help people*. The current system we have is a huge bummer for them. Watching people come when it's too late because of money problems is not something they enjoy. They'd rather have everybody be insured and catch disease early. They'd rather have everybody get the necessary medical care, than make 5% more money.

Don't be fooled. The AMA represents a minority of doctors (mostly assholes).


*(Unless you're a dermatologist, surgeon or one of a handful of other very lucrative specialties, you can make more money by going to engineering school for 4 years and putting money early in a 401k than a med student spending virtually all of their 20s getting in debt then getting underpaid while in residency.
 

RDreamer

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Oct 25, 2017
14,106
He could still run 3rd party in the general even if he lost in the primary couldn't he?
Technically sure but it'd be an entirely different narrative. If he's beaten and goes 3rd party he looks like a petty loser spoiler. If he's pushed our illegitimately or harshly then he seems more justified to people.
 

Volimar

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Oct 25, 2017
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Why aren't all primaries done on a single day? Why do we set expectations based on these small states and have people drop out as a result with other states looking to the example set by the smaller ones? I don't get it.

If they were held all at once, only the people with the money to advertise broadly would have the coverage to reach out to people. It's annoying, but having it be staggered allows candidates to travel to the states and appeal to voters in a way that an all at once primary would likely prohibit.
 

Volimar

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I thought someone in this thread said there were "sore loser" rules that prohibit someone who lost in primaries from going third party.
 

OuterLimits

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Nov 2, 2017
987
I'm a Republican but will vote in the Democrat primary in Virginia.(since its an open primary). Plus I think the Virginia Republican primary was cancelled
 

electricblue

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Oct 27, 2017
2,991
Will Doctor's salaries be lower though?

Remember, Doctors have to hire and pay people specifically to fight with health insurances who are constantly trying to screw over their patients (I have personal horror stories, and I have had "good" insurance for decades) and people who deal with dozens of insurance with varying copays, deductibles and patients who have no idea how the fuck deductibles work.

Those people get paid money. Let's say $40k/year per person. If medicare lowers Doctor's fees somewhat, they will save those 40k.

If people can afford to go to the DR. They will go more often. More patients = more money.

Finally, the vast majority of Doctors get into that career to help people*. The current system we have is a huge bummer for them. Watching people come when it's too late because of money problems is not something they enjoy. They'd rather have everybody be insured and catch disease early. They'd rather have everybody get the necessary medical care, than make 5% more money.

Don't be fooled. The AMA represents a minority of doctors (mostly assholes).


*(Unless you're a dermatologist, surgeon or one of a handful of other very lucrative specialties, you can make more money by going to engineering school for 4 years and putting money early in a 401k than a med student spending virtually all of their 20s getting in debt then getting underpaid while in residency.

I think they will eventually like the single payer system better but in Canada there was a doctor strike in Saskatchewan when universal health care was introduced, same may happen here. Doctors have a lot of expenses as you noted and its a tough job + they have it pretty good with the current system, no doubt some will not be happy at first
 
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Uncle at Nintendo

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Jan 3, 2018
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THEM TULSI NUMBERS
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,833
Texas
I thought someone in this thread said there were "sore loser" rules that prohibit someone who lost in primaries from going third party.
Just quickly read up on this. It would be state law to enact that and it relates to ballot access. But most of these laws do not apply to presidential candidates.

The party can only hope for pledges. But a party can do nothing to stop someone from filing the paperwork to get on a ballot.
 

Terra Firma

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Oct 25, 2017
2,235
Will Doctor's salaries be lower though?

Remember, Doctors have to hire and pay people specifically to fight with health insurances who are constantly trying to screw over their patients (I have personal horror stories, and I have had "good" insurance for decades) and people who deal with dozens of insurance with varying copays, deductibles and patients who have no idea how the fuck deductibles work.

Those people get paid money. Let's say $40k/year per person. If medicare lowers Doctor's fees somewhat, they will save those 40k.

If people can afford to go to the DR. They will go more often. More patients = more money.

Finally, the vast majority of Doctors get into that career to help people*. The current system we have is a huge bummer for them. Watching people come when it's too late because of money problems is not something they enjoy. They'd rather have everybody be insured and catch disease early. They'd rather have everybody get the necessary medical care, than make 5% more money.

Don't be fooled. The AMA represents a minority of doctors (mostly assholes).


*(Unless you're a dermatologist, surgeon or one of a handful of other very lucrative specialties, you can make more money by going to engineering school for 4 years and putting money early in a 401k than a med student spending virtually all of their 20s getting in debt then getting underpaid while in residency.
I doubt that. The average salary for, say, a family medicine physician is just around $200k/year. FM requires only 3 years of residency. And FM is on the lower end of salaries (IIRC psychiatry is lower). Plus doctors make more money from pharma companies who want them to prescribe their product over the competition.

Now, if you run your own clinic, that isn't necessarily the case. Also, salaries vary a lot from state to state (e.g. a FM doc in PA can get $50k more/year than a FM doc in TX).

And some doctors are in it to help people but the there are many, especially in lucrative fields like GI internists, that I've met who are against public funding of healthcare because they have it so good. The longer the one on one contact a doctor has with his patients, the more they are sympathetic to increasing coverage. Doctors called in for procedures love the system as it is.
 

electricblue

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Oct 27, 2017
2,991
In general, I like most of the candidates, which is why I really don't like to shit on them. Well, besides money-bloomz. As far as Tulsi goes, I don't know why she is running. I mean her issue is non-interventialism, but other than that I can't tell you what she believes.

The longer this goes on the more bizarre her association with Sanders looks
 

Deleted member 31817

Nov 7, 2017
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I'm a Republican but will vote in the Democrat primary in Virginia.(since its an open primary). Plus I think the Virginia Republican primary was cancelled
Are you planning to vote for Trump in the general or have you just not gotten around to changing your party registration lol
 

OuterLimits

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Nov 2, 2017
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Are you planning to vote for Trump in the general or have you just not gotten around to changing your party registration lol

Depends. If it's Biden or Mayor Pete, I am honestly undecided. If it's Bernie, which seems likely, I will 100% vote Trump.

Although Bernie I think has a decent shot in the general. Makes it two energized bases against each other and it will inevitably become somewhat a battle between capitalism vs socialism. Bloomberg would be a disaster for Democrats in my opinion, although his money has certainly improved his polling numbers among Democrats which is astonishing.

speaking of Virginia I see a few Democrats went against Northam and joined Republicans and voted to shelf the assault weapons ban for a year. Including two Dems from Northern Virginia I believe.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Bloomberg isn't too surprising. The media has done a lot to try and paint him as the "electable" moderate member since Biden has shown to be a perpetual loser.
 

Ziltoidia 9

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Oct 25, 2017
6,143
Is the Tacoma rally in the same building that the Bird thing happened at in 2016? Or do I have the wrong city?

Edit: It happened in Portland. NM. Lol.
 

Rats

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Oct 25, 2017
8,112
There really couldn't be a more perfect showdown than Bernie vs. Bloomberg. It's a question about what, fundamentally, the Democratic Party's base wants for the country.

I'm optimistic, but also just a little bit terrified.
 

Heromanz

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Oct 25, 2017
20,202
Depends. If it's Biden or Mayor Pete, I am honestly undecided. If it's Bernie, which seems likely, I will 100% vote Trump.

Although Bernie I think has a decent shot in the general. Makes it two energized bases against each other and it will inevitably become somewhat a battle between capitalism vs socialism. Bloomberg would be a disaster for Democrats in my opinion, although his money has certainly improved his polling numbers among Democrats which is astonishing.

speaking of Virginia I see a few Democrats went against Northam and joined Republicans and voted to shelf the assault weapons ban for a year. Including two Dems from Northern Virginia I believe.
 

Tukarrs

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Oct 27, 2017
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Speakers now.
First up is Socialist City Council member Kshama Sawant

Others will be Tim Robbins and Pramila Jayapal.
 

Ziltoidia 9

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,143
There really couldn't be a more perfect showdown than Bernie vs. Bloomberg. It's a question about what, fundamentally, the Democratic party's base wants for the country.

I'm optimistic, but also just a little bit terrified.

It's also a good primer for social-democrat vs billionaire that the general will be.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Depends. If it's Biden or Mayor Pete, I am honestly undecided. If it's Bernie, which seems likely, I will 100% vote Trump.

Although Bernie I think has a decent shot in the general. Makes it two energized bases against each other and it will inevitably become somewhat a battle between capitalism vs socialism. Bloomberg would be a disaster for Democrats in my opinion, although his money has certainly improved his polling numbers among Democrats which is astonishing.

speaking of Virginia I see a few Democrats went against Northam and joined Republicans and voted to shelf the assault weapons ban for a year. Including two Dems from Northern Virginia I believe.
Bruh what
 

BADMAN

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Oct 25, 2017
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Depends. If it's Biden or Mayor Pete, I am honestly undecided. If it's Bernie, which seems likely, I will 100% vote Trump.

Although Bernie I think has a decent shot in the general. Makes it two energized bases against each other and it will inevitably become somewhat a battle between capitalism vs socialism. Bloomberg would be a disaster for Democrats in my opinion, although his money has certainly improved his polling numbers among Democrats which is astonishing.

speaking of Virginia I see a few Democrats went against Northam and joined Republicans and voted to shelf the assault weapons ban for a year. Including two Dems from Northern Virginia I believe.
What's wrong with socialism?
 

Shaun Solo

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Oct 25, 2017
1,079
Depends. If it's Biden or Mayor Pete, I am honestly undecided. If it's Bernie, which seems likely, I will 100% vote Trump.

Although Bernie I think has a decent shot in the general. Makes it two energized bases against each other and it will inevitably become somewhat a battle between capitalism vs socialism. Bloomberg would be a disaster for Democrats in my opinion, although his money has certainly improved his polling numbers among Democrats which is astonishing.

speaking of Virginia I see a few Democrats went against Northam and joined Republicans and voted to shelf the assault weapons ban for a year. Including two Dems from Northern Virginia I believe.
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