This shit is annoying, ever since someone brought up how he is literally copying Obama's speech, intonations and mannerisms I can't unsee or hear it. Dude is a lame.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Yup! We should focus on taking back state houses and get states to sign on to the National Popular Vote Interstate Compact. Neither Bush or Trump would have been elected if it weren't for the broken Electoral College system.
Both Trump's victory and Bloomberg's rise prove that's a bad strategy. He needs to be held accountable and challenged in-person for people to see what a snake he is, which is why the people who were saying he shouldn't be in the debates were wrong.
Speaking of Joe Biden's "Republicans will work with me" fairy tale, Bernie's idea about how to deal with them is no better:
Joe assumes Republicans are his friends who will play ball, Bernie assumes Republicans care about what people want. Both ideas are naive fantasies that ignore the past 12 years.
yeah no. I prefer deplatforming. don't let Bloomberg on that stage w/ legitimate candidates - don't boost his voice anymore than his money can carry him.
There's already early voting in many States.
The next results will be the Nevadan caucus at Saturday Feb 22 noon.
I mean deplatforming is kinda hard to provide when the person you're trying to deplatform has billions of dollars.
I get that. but putting him on stage is such a weird "marketplace of ideas" strategy. talk shit about him and don't let him on stage > talk shit about him while he can respond.
Wasn't Klobuchar really abusive to her employees? I'd have thought that'd have done her in more than this.
She was and also has a pretty shitty track record with police/criminal justice/minority issues and she's voted to confirm a bunch of Trump's judges for some unknown reason. She's a pretty bad candidate.
Nobody really cared because she's been largely irrelevant in this race. Now that she has some momentum people are digging into her record and it's not pretty.
What are you looking for that aren't in the OP and threadmarks? There have only been two states so far. :O
By sharing pretty accurate critiques of how shitty Bloomberg is with no refutation lmao
This. I honestly barely heard her name until like 3 months ago. I don't know how much traction the stories are getting though. Getting more than double Warren's votes in NH is kinda scary.
I've been saying this, but I have to say it again- Bloomberg isn't the guy to beat Trump. If you can't handle a few very online leftists mocking you in memes, how will you handle the kind of heat that the Troll in Chief will throw at you for the next 8 months? Trump can be fucking savage and he has the largest platform in the world. Bloomberg is too thin-skinned for this shit.
Right? And also I can't imagine this extremely online strategy Bloomberg is taking is going to be useful. "aren't you all just as mad at brie joy as I am?" likely won't turn out people like he thinks it will.
It's funny because he actually could have brought up actual toxic stuff the three have done. Instead, he simply brought up them saying 100% accurate things about him.
Literally none of them said that soooo why are you claiming this?
You shouldn't vote Trump. And you shouldn't vote for Bloomberg. It's not hard to understand.
This ad really grabs you by the collar and forces you to pay attention.
A+
Trump is bending democracy to it's very limits, but I think Bloomberg really might just break it. There will be a mile long line of billionaires looking forward to directly steering the wheel at both parties going forward if he becomes the nominee. It's about as bleak a future as it can get. Who will even be able to tell the truth anymore when both candidates can pump 2-10 billion into a presidential campaign? Imagine if Bloomberg had announced last year alongside Warren and spent 2 billion dollars blasting his fake ass ads on TV for an ENTIRE YEAR on end. It makes me sick to my stomach. People really don't understand what they're voting for. Fuck free healthcare. I really might move to Canada just for their 3 month primary schedule lol.
They were seriously having this discussion after Obama won and the softer side likely would have won the argument had Hillary done her job and won in 2016. Unfortunately she lost and the clock has been reset. Boomers can't live forever, though. Every four years winning the presidency will only become harder and harder even with help from the electoral college.
There is no way I can answer that question in a manner which will satisfy you, based on the way the question was asked.
But I suppose it depends which acts you're referring to. The firing of the police chief, while pretty dumb, was not motivated by race from what Ive researched. His quote about black youth needing better role models was ignorant and dumb, but i don't think it came from a negative place.
The whole thing with the T-shirts worn by South Bend police abhorrent, but that was more on the police force than the mayor (and his quote about it is frequently misquoted).
I hear you. I try to be open minded. Based on what I know, I think Pete has a ways to go on working for African Americans. But I also believe he actually wants to learn how he can do just that.
I didn't realize that this thread was actually a private conversation between you and that other poster, and that people weren't allowed to chip in and/or give their thoughts. Maybe we should ask a mod to change the thread title to something more suitable, like 'Casper's political OT of centrist reality and mean leftist fantasy land.'
Also, if there was one serious point to make from my (admittedly unwitty) post, it was being baffled by how utterly condescending your post was. But you managed to outdo yourself in your followup while also calling me chief, so congrats.
Funny, when Bloomberg is literally Donald Trump, but actually a billionaire, and keeps his racism under cover more effectively.
I like that OT title. Maybe when we hit the next round.
And that's Caspah. I was born in Boston and it's an attempt at being funny, friend. It's how my mah used to say it when I would watch the cartoon.
This is actual good criticism, for the record.
I agree with Bernie´s theory of change from the bottom up, but not with Republicans and not without outvoting them. I think he needs to shape his message a bit on this issue.
Deplatforming works on most people, but billionaires aren't most people. He can buy his way on to any platform he wants and present himself in the best light possible, he can't be deplatformed the way most people can.
I don't care about the marketplace of ideas, I care about pieces of shit being held accountable. A few potshots at the debates aren't going to cut it, and I wouldn't expect anything more substantial unless the moderators make his shittiness a focus, which is unlikely. He has no redeeming qualities, and putting him next to everyone else will only make them look better.
How there are liberals that are OK with what Bloomberg is doing is baffling.
Maybe not as baffling because it's what I expect of them, but good God. I can't believe they'd stoop so low to defend someone who is a fuckton worse than Trump.
Today's been shit.
Maybe not as baffling because it's what I expect of them, but good God. I can't believe they'd stoop so low to defend someone who is a fuckton worse than Trump.
Today's been shit.
As a Bernie supporter, it's simultaneously true that his more militant online supporters do a huge disservice to his candidacy and that if this is how Bloomberg is going to attack him, it's really pathetic.
This leads up to the big criticism for Pete: presidency is not the place for an internship. He shouldn´t be learning on the job. He´s got a big future ahead of him because he checks a lot of boxes, but you don´t jump straight from small town mayor to most powerful person on Earth without any stops in between.
He should try to be a representative, a senator, a governor, i mean, anything before jumping to president without learning a bunch of stuff.
If he shows up to the debate, I hope you are right.
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I never got why people didn't want Bloomberg at the debates. He's basically been able to define himself because no one has the resources to attack him in the non-early states. This is the first time that a lot of people will actually get to see criticism of Bloomberg.
Bernie's strategy on dealing with the Senate is no better than anyone else's because there's only one strategy that will work; Democrats have to win the senate. It's pretty stupid to think you can work with Moscow Mitch and I have no idea why Bernie would even consider that to be an option. In order to take the senate Democrats will have to turn out in droves in the general, and if the turnout in NH is any indication there might just be a glimmer of hope. I'm not gonna lie though the odds are looking pretty stacked against democrats, only hope is to have even more turnout that 2008. And even then, with Republicans being so energized, that might not be enough to win seats in red states.
im worried that he either competently defends himself or that the Biden thing happens of people just choosing to not attack him over very obvious shortcomings.
I am a man of peace but man I really feel like punching a motherfucker every time I read another piece of bullshit from or about Bloomberg. Dude is so fucking disingenuous and the people who care more about civility than the bigger picture are just ARGHHHH!!!!!!
The amount of cash Bloomberg has dumped in WA advertising is borderline astonishing. I don't think I've never seen this many ads in a primary period, let alone from one candidate.
No joke, to date I've seen maybe two Bernie ads, 0 Biden, 0 Warren and easily 80+ Bloomberg ads. Every time I watch Youtube, there he is again.
No joke, to date I've seen maybe two Bernie ads, 0 Biden, 0 Warren and easily 80+ Bloomberg ads. Every time I watch Youtube, there he is again.
Delete that. Amplifying a dox is just as bad as doing it yourself.
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