I am a Muslim but Rashida on the ticket pretty much guarantees a Trump win. American ain't ready for a Muslim VP.
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Democratic Presidential Primary |February OT| It Can't be Worse than Iowa, Right? (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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I am a Muslim but Rashida on the ticket pretty much guarantees a Trump win. American ain't ready for a Muslim VP.
And besides, if anyone is drawn to Tulsi for her military background, just go for Duckworth. She's military too and actually seems to possess honor.
I don't think by itself it's the biggest thing, but I don't think Hillary picking Tim Kaine did her any favors and I do think Biden helped olive branch the party in Obama's favor.
Talib is a great progressive, she's one of the squad and is much more the foreign policy progressive which helps Bernie who is more domestic policy. She had that contentious issue with israel restricting her travel to see her grandmother because she wanted to document Palestinian conditions in israel
Don't worry, the old white moderates have already claimed they'll vote blue no matter who. Sanders seems to be ahead with minority votes, so it looks like he's doing all good!
my personal view...people will fall in line if they want to defeat trump. And bernie can actually inspire the rest to turn out
As people like to point out, PUMA was a thing, and grasping for every vote you can get is actually a good idea.
If it's Sanders, Biden or *shudder* Bloomberg, them all being late 70s/80 at inauguration makes the VP slot more charged imo.
What's Tony Evers approval looking like lately? If Sanders goes for Baldwin, he might be the safest pick to go for to take her seat again, plus that let's the younger LG Barnes take the reins of Wisconsin
Yeah that's true but are older folks really going to not vote for Sanders because of his VP pick? They are the most consistent and reliable voting bloc. A lot of republicans didn't like Trump, but they came home in the general regardless.
If this is the first example of Sanders getting after Bloomberg, that would be nice. Let it be the first shot of many
Um, no? Sorry for misinterpreting.
He's a 78 year old socialist who just had a heart attack.
I have different beliefs not in terms of supporting Black Lives Matter but in terms of who I think is the most capable and electable candidate in the fall. I don't honestly believe that Pete is a racist - if I did, I wouldn't support him. Just as I don't honestly believe that Bernie is a xenophobe. I just don't think he can win and I don't think a 78 year old socialist who just had a heart attack should be our nominee. You are free to disagree with that. I'm almost certain that you and I agree on 95% of the issues.
I don't know what Sanders can really say to well-to-do moderates to get them to follow along with his plans other than not Trump.
No its not. And a lot of people are going to have to come to grips with that if Bernie wins the nom. He isn't picking a moderate darling.
At the end of the day, they will vote blue or its another 4 years of trump.
Ah ok sorry too. I thought you recognized it was tongue in cheek but felt that would be trolling.
so this is actually kind of a fascinating topic - there's a reasonably strong argument to be made that he's not anywhere near what his reputation suggests on this matter
a lot of it comes down to the definition of "speaks" (which sounds pedantic, but various terms like "speak" and "fluent" can have dramatically different interpretations to some people). by his own admission:
while he's not out claiming that he's perfectly fluent in seven languages, and "whatever he picked up in five minutes on duolingo" is probably a bit of an understatement, it's likely true to say that his knowledge in most of the languages is at most "took one or two classes on it at college" level. "donde esta la biblioteca" does not a spanish-speaker make. in fact, we know from basically every time he's spoken spanish on camera that he's... kind of shit at it, and supposedly his norwegian wasn't very good either (I wouldn't know). at minimum, it seems to be the case that he's assuredly not an actual speaker of seven languages, outside of "being able to make the sounds that make the words".
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What sinks Bernie for me is his supporters. A lot of them are straight up assholes who to me are in the levels of MAGA peep just on the other side. His hardcore base is very much cultish and Bernie rarely if ever calls them out for their shitty behavior.
In part because of Mike Pence.
One reason why Abrams would be a good VP pick, for example, is that she would be a great campaigner in places with older, moderate African-Americans in the South (not Bernie's natural habitat). Georgia and North Carolina are huge swing states this year.
Don't even make the basest effort to try? Sounds very Hillary 2016.
probably helped Trump, and probably would have helped Hillary win over salty Bernie supporters.
Holy shit she's me trying to bullshit her way through a job interview 😂😂
And that's worse than racists and people who want the status quo? And how is socialist an insult?
It'll guarantee the CIA does everything they can to keep Bernie alive though
you say all this, but you keep acting like the candidate that black people don't want has a chance. I don't understand this line of thinking. We don't want Pete, he doesn't have a chance because we don't want him.
They split between not voting and McCain. As BoBers split between not voting and Trump in 2016.
I mean he can try and should of course. But they might be more concerned with their own money fears than anything he has to say. Like, "I want to help the poor" , okay good now here's this new M4A plan and a chart where you might pay more in taxes (and less in premiums, out of pocket, etc), "Now hold on a second. I didn't want to help that much!", okay well what about a living wage $15 an hour? "But my hamburger might go up 25 cents? pass." Well then what's your idea of help the poor? "I was thinking more like giving motivating speeches about how they should work harder." but those speeches will cost tax payer money "oh never mind then".
In other words, he shouldn't also bend over backwards to them and I doubt he will. His speech seems to speak more for people who are disenfranchised in some way more than for people who probably won't be much worse off (or see themselves as worse off) with a Bloomberg or Trump presidency.
Pete isn't destined to do poorly w/ black voters, especially if he keeps proving that he's a viable contender. If black voters can look the other way at Joe Biden being friends w/ segregationists, then they probably can come to support Buttigieg as well.
You're not supporting Sanders because he called for a ban on fracking half a decade from now that might hurt his political chances in Pennsylvania in the general? That criteria throws Warren and Sanders out. Even Pete said he'd phase out fracking fairly quickly. That's a pretty boring hill to die on only to be left with like, Klob and Biden.
so I mean, mathematically speaking, the shortest path has never gone through pennsylvania
if I were to draw up the simplest path:
- win arizona (huge latino support currently, seems very possible)
- win wisconsin (definitely a winnable state, definitely would be helped by a tammy baldwin vp pick)
- win ne-2 (obama won it in 2008, it's a winnable district, kara eastman's a good candidate there and should get some help regardless)
- hold the dem-leaning states
- that's 270, you win
Putting in a VP that seems like a compromise isn't bending over backwards by any stretch of the imagination.
There will also be a larger amount of people that are going to not-vote if they don't get their candidate this election than there would be if there were only two candidates because... There are more candidates and there's going to be ~60-70% of the electorate that's going to be in the "voted for a different candidate" pile to have to appeal to, which is precisely why it's more important than ever to send them an olive branch.
Doesn't have to be Pete? Personally I just don't want 4 more Trump. We have to win the general election to do that. It can't be that hard to find someone the party can get behind and also flip Pennsylvania and the rust belt.
I mean. Anyone can go on twitter and claim to be a Bernie supporter and talk shit and cause chaos.
Frankly I wouldn't put it past Trump alt-righters to do exactly that.
All of the people in PA that profit off of fracking are already rural NRA Trump supporters anyway. He just needs to swing back the Philly suburbs that went to Obama, and flipped for Trump. Sunoco is running a pipeline through here that no-one likes.
If Bernie picks a moderate as a running mate, it won't be too long after inauguration day that they find him dead in a ditch of 'natural causes'. (Natural causes in this case being multiple gun shot wounds to the back of the head from different types of guns)
Pennsylvania rejected Trump in 2018 and Bernie polls above Trump there despite wanting to ban framing.
Pence and Trump are both pretty far right no? Anecdotally I've never heard anyone say they didn't like Trump but voted for him because of Pence. I'm pretty confident that most people would vote their party consistently even when they don't love the candidate.
Plus Bernie polls well against Trump in swing states that were pivotal losses in 2016 like Michigan and Wisconsin. Add to that Bernie is shaping up to make Texas actually competitive in the general for the first time in who knows how long.
On top of all this, Clinton was a moderate and she got wrecked in 2016. The type of people who came out for Democrats in 2016 are the people who are going to turn out for Democrats regardless. I think we have a lot more ground to lose in pandering to moderates than we do to gain in pushing further left and convincing people that the Democratic Party isn't about the status quo anymore.
Those are some great picks. I'd still be happy with Warren, too, though, even if it doesn't address as many of his weaknesses.
One thing I would say about Baldwin is I'd worry what would happen in a special election to replace her Senate seat. Wisconsin can go either way depending on how the wind is blowing in special elections/non-major elections.
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