Pretty much
Find out if you need them or not. Bernie's "youth vote" advantage was with age <50 voters.
Going by the 2016 bernie to clinton numbers, I think you'll find all of this bickering was pointless. It's on biden if he loses, not some podcast hosts
And one group of voters rejected the other group of voters and this is the fallout of that rejection. Again you would be delusional to ever think you were getting both groups and that you could get them to combine their electoral powers like the Planeteers.
Okay, see, here is the problem. CTH are not "prominent socialists". Zizek is a "prominent socialist". Chomsky is a "prominent socialist". The CTH guys are comedians doing a novel and disruptive form of political entertainment, like the next evolution of the late night talk show. Thinking that they in any way, shape, or form, represent modern socialism is like saying Colbert leads modern liberalism.
How did one group of voters reject the other? By not letting their preferred candidate win? Because some subset of one group said something dismissive of the other on Twitter?
It doesn't matter how many votes they affect, we should call out those who claim to be on the left advocating for Trump's re-election.
okay, it really seems like people who support biden and are worried about him losing could spend their time more productively though
I'd rather not humor them. The effect of what they're doing is likely to be negligible. They had negligible influence on the primary, so what sort of impact could they really have on the GE?
Yes, to both questions. At least that's how I see it. The CTH crowd was always going to take the loss of Bernie really personally and the twitter culture war stuff doesn't really help ease tensions there. I figured everyone already knew this already.
i mean when you're already validating Michael Bloomberg the idea of raising a fuss for someone over accepting the endorsement of a transphobe with affiliations to the far right doesn't seem like it is that important at the end of the day
Yeah, but here's the thing- Biden is the "Unity/compromise" candidate who will accept any help to defeat Trump. That's like literally his brand this election. Sanders is the "pure, never been wrong on the issues" candidate. It's just hypocritical. It's like when evangelical pastors tell you how full of sin you are and then they're caught stealing money from their constituents and sleeping with all the young wives. "Do as I say, not as I do!"
that sounds like a narrative that you've created for yourself based on how you view his inflexibility
This is just a bizarre argument. If you were to ask all Bernie supporters (or hell, all voters period) which candidate is the compromise candidate and which one ran on sticking to his guns (pun unintended), you think it'd even be close? I'm creating my own narrative? Lmao. You can't be serious. That's exactly what leftists claim to hate about Biden and what they love about Sanders. They hate that Biden is willing to compromise on his positions and many don't believe Sanders would.
You and I understand that Bernie would've had to compromise on his ideals eventually, but do the most ardent of his supporters realize that?
maybe they're smarter then you give them credit for and understand that someone can be relatively more inflexible then joe biden while still picking his battles
It's w/e, and leftists deserve their agency, but my even as a libsoc my black ass is voting for self-preservation while our chapter spreads the good word. Can't be picky when I reside in a swing state and got family depending on Obamacare.
I don't think they're unintelligent, I just think the loudest of them are more uncompromising in their ideological purity than you think they are.
When has Bernie ever compromised on anything ever? (Not necessarily a bad thing, but part of the reason he's never really been able to grow his base)
People that voted for Trump could vote Biden. I mean, many Obama voters went to Trump. It just depends what certain voters value more. The hardcore Trumpers are obviously a lost cause.
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After watching the video it seems like she's pushing a "just because everyone suddenly wants to give socialism a shot now doesn't mean we should just forget about it after the crisis is over" narrative.
I wrote this one year ago and stand by it. People didn't want the easy transition to socialism which Bernie could've been and now they get to speedrun it.
She's nothing more than a selfish and sanctimonious gas lighting troll.
Chapo trap house are trash, literally they are. If you don't much know about them, just know that much.
Tell me how them advocating for their fans to stay home to help Trump win as a punishment against Democrats makes the any better than Republicans advocating to vote for Trump.
I mean, fuck, they're pretty much campaigning for them at this point. If the shoe fits!
Yep! That's what my point is too.
Narcissism. It's why nothing is ever learned. It's always someone else's fault. You're always a victim of the conspiracy you've created to explain away failure, preventing you from ever learning a goddamn thing.
