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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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let's hope biden does the sensible thing and offers sanders a deal on policy concessions good enough to make sanders drop out and endorse
at the current trajectory of biden's policies, he's going to appear to be to the right of the trump administration on things like economic relief due to covid-19. that would be disastrous in the general election
at the current trajectory of biden's policies, he's going to appear to be to the right of the trump administration on things like economic relief due to covid-19. that would be disastrous in the general election
You realize Trump's proposal is a 500 billion payroll tax cut, hundreds of billions in bailout money, and a 250 billion means tested check give out of some sort that won't roll out until the end of April, right?
This is just not true at all. Biden is to the left on Trump on every single policy. Biden is for giving out financial support and free healthcare during this crisis right now. Trump is not.
I think people expecting a concession from Biden should look at how far left he's actually moved already. There isn't going to be a big shift further left. There might be an item or two.
democrats' habitual reflexive preemptive compromising with republicans will make it very easy for trump to outplay them and appear to the left of them. biden is part of this paradigm among leaders of the democratic party
the democratic party candidate needs to be a lot to the left of what republicans are proposing or they'll be outplayed by trump. writing checks is actually in the GOP policy interest because it allows landlords to keep collecting rent and overall trickles up through the economy. hopefully biden is smart enough to get inspired by sanders here or the election will be a disaster
The point is the proposal made after Mnuchin made that statement is to the right of the dems proposal for paid sick leave and 10 weeks of medical leave. Pelosi shooting that down was a stupid mistake, yeah, and dems are fucking terrible at messaging, yeah, but buying that the initial volley being a $250 billion means-tested, out-by-end-of-April one time check is in anyway left of anything... lol.
And that's BEFORE republicans in the Senate have gotten their hands on it. And that's BEFORE Republicans in the Senate have even passed the neutered paid sick leave bill.
My bet is that Bernie will talk today about "transitioning" his campaign, but not "suspending" it. They'll stop asking for money, stop spending money on ads and anything not directly related to the campaign's skeleton staff, cancel all in-person events, and transition to a lean, digital footprint. He won't be dropping out but he won't be actively campaigning either. The campaign's tone will shift to focus on solutions and ideas and away from any jabs at Biden or the establishment and whatnot.
I don't trust Bernie to drop out all the way but I think he has enough sense to realize that it makes no sense to campaign, as he has been and as he did in 2016, at this point.
I don't trust Bernie to drop out all the way but I think he has enough sense to realize that it makes no sense to campaign, as he has been and as he did in 2016, at this point.
my post said that the TRUMP ADMINISTRATION would APPEAR to be to the left of democrats
i didn't say republicans at large and i didn't say actually to the left
it's a very real risk unless biden and other democratic party leaders wisen up quick and listen to what bernie is saying
I am not worried about Bernie, he will recognize the lay of the land. It's his rogue staff that have already burned all the bridges available who may feel that their last hurrah in major Democratic politics is coming to an end and theyll--rightfully--be blacklisted as soon as Sanders campaign wraps up officially
My favorite thing about Biden being friends with everyone. Is that Bernie didn't want to attack him like his advisors tried to encourage him to do... because Biden was one of the few people who was nice to him in Congress, lol.
Did everyone else get Faiz Shakir's email? Hope this means Bernie will be dropping out after a few days.
I don't think so, at least if '08 is any indication. Of course, normal politics have been out the window for a while, so who knows.
Sounded like it to me. And his speech last week felt like "I'm going the debate and if I don't do significantly better next week, I'm dropping out."
Biden is beating Bernie by larger margins than Hilary did, so I really don't see a reason why Bernie should keep running. He needs to have a meeting with Joe first of course
This is literally circular logic. "Why is X a progressive requirement? Because these people all do X. Why are they the arbitersof progressivism? Because they are progressive. Why are they progressive? Because they all do X." You've basically just made it inherently true that they define progressivism.
Here's a statement: if you're anti-women's reproductive rights, you're not progressive. What's your stance on that? You've already waffled on it ("gotta look at the context"). I want you to state it.
In your opinion, taking money in that way excludes one from being a progressive, but supporting anti-abortionists (in 2017, no less) or talking about "guns in VT are different from guns in Chicago" does not exclude one from being a progressive.
Bernie has stopped trying to raise money since this weekend. He knows it is over he is just soft transitioning his hard core supporters over to acceptance. Really soon it will be Biden V Trump. I just hope Biden's campaign does the right things.
One of the big things that helped Biden and Bernie both (but Biden more so) in this primary was fear. Even before the pandemic, this was a high stakes election for Democrats. That meant a lot of voters retreated to options that felt safe and familiar, which boosted the two old men with 100% name ID above the rest of the pack. Once they were the two viable options, Biden was the safer and more familiar of the two and he took the lead.
I don't think that there should be a delay... I honestly think that they should have a better plan in place for those voting.
Looks like Bernie Sanders campaign has deactivated its ads on Facebook. No active ads currently showing in the transparency report and doesn't look like a glitch since others are showing active ads
Could be a fluke, but...
Just shared this in the PoliEra thread but felt it was worth putting here:
Rothenberg: Presidential race now leans toward the Democrats
The money quote:
Best to take anything like this with a grain of salt given what's at stake, but still heartening.
I know it's not representative of Bernie voters (I would have been a Bernie voter, I know a bunch, and I support him after Warren), but I don't know how much he can transition these people...the ones on social media. They are basically saying Biden is worse than Trump and the DNC is the devil as if they have been the enemies all along. Not sure why they can't see the forest for the trees that things are about to get a lot worse for people if we don't stop Trump and the RNC.
When it comes to fighting for what you believe in. For now this primary is over, but our fight for progressive ideas must rage on.
I've been calling redhats cult members since 2016. I voted for Bernie a few weeks ago, but a vocal chunk of his supporters absolutely display the same cult like behavior redhats do.
I've moved on to the more pressing issue at hand, like everyone should, including people liking the situation to keep bashing on Bernie with glee. Country is in recession and we might be at a depression. Bernie can be an advocate right now in the senate for the country and Biden can give us his future plans.
The sooner we end the primary officially the sooner the divide can heal and we can all unite and work to elect Joe Biden together.
We *all* have to work like our life depends on it to elect Joe Biden. Together. Because for many Americans their lives do depend on Biden beating Trump. The sooner we can unite in this, the better.
We *all* have to work like our life depends on it to elect Joe Biden. Together. Because for many Americans their lives do depend on Biden beating Trump. The sooner we can unite in this, the better.
If Biden can't convince those voters to support him then that's on him. Thankfully twitter isn't representative of the real world so they are likely a vocal minority, but we will just have to wait until November to see if the one's who stay home have any impact Biden's chances.
What are you talking about? I clearly said you take into account all policy positions and record into account. Why did you ignore this? In the Biden vs Bernie case, what areas are you saying Biden is more progressive in and what areas do you think Bernie is more progressive in?
Make the list and compare the two. If you then decide Biden, then I'm sorry you're not a progressive. My stance has never been that a single issue defines progressiveness, and I've never stated that context is important for that single stance, more that context of the candidate as a whole matters. It's the same reason why we'll criticize progressive politicians for stances on issues, yet at the same time rally behind them. No candidate is perfect.
Go ahead, I'll be waiting. Make a list of the issues and award a "progressive winner" to decide who is overall more progressive. I think I'll wait forever because there will be no arguing out of this.
Policy positions
Record
Campaign financing
I think a televised intimate discussion at a table would work.
The divide isn't going to heal unless Biden takes on M4A policies. Because for many people, they are voting for their lives, and when the choice between Biden or Trump results in the same situation for them, they'll just stay home.
Biden will follow the trend of all recent Democratic presidents and pick strong judges who protect womens rights and minorities.
Trump will replace RBG with an alt-right pro-life wacko.
Nothing else needs to be said. If they stay home knowing this fact then they never truly cared about the causes Bernie fought for in the first place.
This seems silly. You can vote for the less progressive person and still be progressive. It's not an all or nothing thing. If Biden were elected, his platform would be the most progressive of any president (with the usual caveat of FDR when he didn't give a fuck). Supporting him would still be supporting progressive policies, just not the MOST progressive ones.
Those people were never going to vote for anyone but Bernie Sanders. If it were Elizabeth Warren in the lead, they'd find a way to cast her as worse than Trump. If it were Beto O'Rourke in the lead, they'd find a way to cast him as worse than Trump. They weren't politically active before 2015, and they won't be after 2020. Fuck 'em.
The public isn't hip to nor cares about the Supreme Court. "Nothing changed for me" will always beat SC picks unfortunately. We are terribly educated lol. It's a no-brainer for us yet Trump is somehow still viable.
Both GOP and Dem members wants something like UBI.
But Joe Manchin seems to be opposed to it.
But Joe Manchin seems to be opposed to it.
GOP doesn't want UBI. Don't mistake something like emergency stimulus for long term policy positions.
It is not silly. In the general election I would grant you this. In the primary when the race was still on, you had a choice. You chose the more progressive candidate or you did not.
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No, more needs to be said since it seems you lack empathy here. These are people who unless radical change comes to the healthcare system will likely die in the next few years. Including a bunch of LGBT individuals.
What you're saying is that you don't care that they're going to die. Your job is to convince them to vote. Why would they vote if both candidates are going to kill them?
If your aim is to vote for the most progressive candidate sure. It's up to what you want out of your vote. You can vote for the less progressive or more progressive candidate. Neither choice makes you less progressive.
Volimar is correct. If you think Manchin's going to be opposed to fiscal stimulus, you're getting your news from some very, very bad sources.
The reason people obsess over specifically M4A as opposed to other comprehensive UHC solutions modeled after multipayer models found elsewhere in Europe is not because "people are going to die", it's because they view "capitalism" as the enemy, a PoV not shared by the vast majority of US voters. We absolutely need to get a universal coverage system in place. It absolutely does not need to be single payer in order to achieve universal coverage and get cost savings in the process.
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