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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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...Ok you do realize that Bernie supporters are not a monolith and to imply that every Bernie Sanders supporter "deserves this" is...depressing.
Anyway I guess it's fine to air grievances as it is a form of mourning and cathartic release. But by this time next week, we all need a united front. Especially since Trump is intent on stealing the Dems thunder by proposing cutting one time checks to Americans. We need to hammer home that $2000 a month thing and Bernie can lead the way.
To be clear, I'm not in favor of toxicity at all. But the people calling for folks to be nice after the vitriol of the past few months are just something else...
Yeah but then it looks like sore losers
Plus it kind of wreaks of privilege. Like what Trump does has no impact on you so it's no big deal.
Bernie getting blown out in every state accomplishes nothing except making the progressive movement look very insignificant. I wish he would have dropped out after the debate!
What a stupid post.
"I saw a small part of Bernie's base being mean on twitter so that gives me free reign to be a jackass as much as I want!"
What a stupid post.
"I saw a small part of Bernie's base being mean on twitter so that gives me free reign to be a jackass as much as I want!"
I mean, voting is a persuasion game. It sucks, I wish it wasn't and voting was both mandatory and easy, but persuasion is usually how we get people to the polls. And browbeating, shaming, and mocking usually has the opposite effect unfortunately.
Bernie and Biden need to do some kind of joint speech where Biden comes out for $1,000 UBI and some other programs that he's probably already endorsed. The appearance of unity is needed rn.
It's not just on twitter and i don't see anyone from bernies camp or base actually condemning these people.
it's always "it's just a few bad apples who cares"
Generalizations like that should cop a warning and a ban for repeats. I'm so sick of being lumped in with the minority of Sanders supporters that have made questionable posts. I never posted snake emojis ffs!
User Banned (Until July 22): Second Violation of the Primary OT Staff Post with Regards to Metacommentary and Generalizations
"small part"
Good joke.
Also, I never said free reign. However, the irony can't be ignored. They were awful to EVERY other candidate and their supporters for the entirety of the campaign on this site.
Even if a particular supporter did not participate, they certainly weren't out there calling for their compatriots to lay off.
edit I accidentally quoted the wrong post
this was Volimar
If you think politics is a game about personalities and online wars then sure. I promised to vote for the furthest left candidate when my state came around because that's the change I think we need. I do think Pete's approach was gross and dishonest and I was disappointed when Warren shifted right to differentiate herself from Bernie. I also don't like the way Bernie used Joe Rogan's support - I hate the guy. I think progressivism or leftism in my case is different things in different contexts. In elections, it's about policy and ideological alignment. In media, it's about pure representation. In society, it's about understanding. It sucks. All of it sucks. I wanted the outcome that had the best shot of convincing people that we could do more if we believed in it. And Bernie fucked up. I don't dispute that. But when you laugh at the failure of progressivism it feels like you're laughing at me and everyone I know who suffered under Obama and will suffer under Biden and the foreseeable future. I'm sorry about all of it.
I know someone irl who tweets crazy conspiracy bullshit constantly and one of his tweets was shared here. I know how annoying it can be. But also don't expect everyone to be nice about candidates that take pleasure in perpetuating the failings of government that make their lives miserable.
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If you think politics is a game about personalities and online wars then sure. I promised to vote for the furthest left candidate when my state came around because that's the change I think we need. I do think Pete's approach was gross and dishonest and I was disappointed when Warren shifted right to differentiate herself from Bernie. I also don't like the way Bernie used Joe Rogan's support - I hate the guy. I think progressivism or leftism in my case is different things in different contexts. In elections, it's about policy and ideological alignment. In media, it's about pure representation. In society, it's about understanding. It sucks. All of it sucks. I wanted the outcome that had the best shot of convincing people that we could do more if we believed in it. And Bernie fucked up. I don't dispute that. But when you laugh at the failure of progressivism it feels like you're laughing at me and everyone I know who suffered under Obama and will suffer under Biden and the foreseeable future. I'm sorry about all of it.
I know someone irl who tweets crazy conspiracy bullshit constantly and one of his tweets was shared here. I know how annoying it can be. But also don't expect everyone to be nice about candidates that take pleasure in perpetuating the failings of government that make their lives miserable.
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I've floated Warren as VP for a while, but I'm realizing that not only would she be our best shot at progressive policies coming from the White House, but she would also be incredibly capable at helping Biden navigate the pandemic and a looming economic meltdown. Biden is going to need all the help he can get.
You missed the chance to say "comrades."
That said, I don't think there's an affirmative duty on individual people to call out behavior of other, similarly situated individuals. They're only responsible for their own conduct. I hold leaders to a higher standard -- not regular people. I do not begrudge any Bernie supporter for not policing the conduct of other supporters. I'm sure that plenty of every candidate's supporters talked shit about other candidates.
I'm not worried about Biden getting help. He has access to vast swathes of many Obama era personnel that are actually competent.
Ahh yes, the people who wanted to stay out of the mud flinging are the most guilty of all.
Wouldn't the Republican Gov of MA appoint her replacement?
I feel like that is a non-starter.
What percentage of the millions of people following him were posting the mean things on twitter. No really, I want you to math it out.
apparently there's a special rule MA legislative can activate to prevent that, creating a special election
Wasn't there an article a few weeks ago that disproved this whole "Bernie supporters are the worst" talking point?
I agree with this, sadly. I think it's time. I want him to continue to have a voice but getting creamed in the rest of the primaries is just going to be more discouraging to progressives.
Ok this is just insulting. "You deserve this no matter what and you didn't do enough to stop it." Are you serious?
Biden points to the curtains, which peel back revealing...
Tulsi Gabbard!
lol that "special rule" is called a legislative supermajority.
Yep. In a year where we have a chance to at least get 50 in the Senate, we don't want to lose senators to the VP slot, as sad as that makes me.
Bernie has condemned harassment many many times. He condemns it pretty much everytime it's brought up.
Oh sorry, I forgot every supporter of any candidate is responsible for every other supporter of said candidate.
I have never stepped foot on twitter. My experience is 100% exclusively on this site.
As a Warren supporter.... the behavior blew my mind. The vitriol was mind blowing.
I don't get this. Bernie has called out the toxic elements of his supporters.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/...out-bernie-sanders-supporters-behavior-115424
Cook Country is interesting rn.
Turnout in IL gonna be down like 50% it seems. Understandable.
Turnout in IL gonna be down like 50% it seems. Understandable.
Yup, gonna start taking a shot every time this has to be pointed out, but the legislature can change the rules and override the R governor's veto.
They already did this in 2004 to ensure Kerry wouldn't be replaced by a Romney appointee if he won.
Been watching the results come in. Really fucked up to see media talking heads try to tie Bernie staying in with people being at risk of catching corona and dying. As if these primaries can't be delayed. The people that are responsible for putting people's health at risk are those demanding these primaries take place now.
This is currently my biggest issue. He's not winning. He's not coming close in a lot of these states and doing worse then last time. His path to winning shrinks everyday yet he's still asking for money. I didn't like that last time and I dislike it even more this time. That to me is
very shady and outright dishonest. That said if people want to keep burning money and can't see where things are headed then let them I guess.
I feel like Harris or Abrams has to be Biden's VP Pick. Klobachar would be Tim Caine levels of disaster.
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