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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

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hurlex

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Wasn't Bernie advocating for EVERYONE getting free college? I thought this was Pete's plan. Means-tested socialism is still eh. Better than nothing, but a bigger target for future cuts if Republicans get power again.
 
Arkeband

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Volimar said:
Biden's plan includes canceling debt if you make under 25k. Ain't nothing.
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Under 25k is pretty hard to pull off, especially when you couple it with necessary minimum wage hikes. 15 bucks an hour would mean anyone working full time at minimum wage would not qualify for debt cancellation.


So you're right, technically, it's something. It also objectively sucks.
 
Kusagari

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I'd prefer no means testing, but the mere fact Biden has moved to free 4-year college in any capacity is a win.

The debt cancellation seems pretty worthless though. Under 25k combined with a minimum wage increases basically cancels out anyone working full time.
 
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Poodlestrike

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Soliloquy of a Dogge said:
What about armchair neurological diagnosing people with dementia and concern trolling about it?

There have been numerous people in this thread that suffer from and/or know people who suffer from neurological and mental health issues that have mentioned how hurtful this is. Nothing has been done about it even after reporting posts.
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We're working on guidance around this. For now, anybody using a diagnosis of anything as a way to mock anybody is already against the TOS as ableist rhetoric. Same reason we don't let people post "REEEEE" memes or use ableist slurs. Definitely report those.
 
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Poodlestrike

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Arkeband said:
Under 25k is pretty hard to pull off, especially when you couple it with necessary minimum wage hikes. 15 bucks an hour would mean anyone working full time at minimum wage would not qualify for debt cancellation.


So you're right, technically, it's something. It also objectively sucks.
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That depends on the order all of this happens in, no? If you pass a minimum wage hike that phases in over a couple of years (which I believe is still the plan) and then pass a debt relief bill which takes place immediately that's gonna go out towards a fair few.
 
RailWays

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UnapologeticallyBLK said:
No shit. Biden is still doing much better than the one viable alternative in the election, though.
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And I already agreed with that assessment. But we need more tbh.

Look at all the unprecedented moves being made that supposedly weren't economically feasible. Our economy will still be hurting after COVID-19 and the people will need some unprecedented policy to help alleviate the upcoming hardship (hell, hardship that already exists for many in this broken system). A stronger student debt cancellation plan is a mere drop in the bucket of things that should have a strong approach taken with an upcoming administration. I'm glad that others see that and are pushing Biden to back better plans.
 
Xaszatm

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Poodlestrike said:
That depends on the order all of this happens in, no? If you pass a minimum wage hike that phases in over a couple of years (which I believe is still the plan) and then pass a debt relief bill which takes place immediately that's gonna go out towards a fair few.
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California already a $12 minimum wage so no one in this state would be under this protection. Anyone making more than $10/hour full time is making too much.
 

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And I already agreed with that assessment. But we need more tbh.

Look at all the unprecedented moves being made that supposedly weren't economically feasible. Our economy will still be hurting after COVID-19 and the people will need some unprecedented policy to help alleviate the upcoming hardship (hell, hardship that already exists for many in this broken system). A stronger student debt cancellation plan is a mere drop in the bucket of things that should have a strong approach taken with an upcoming administration. I'm glad that others see that and are pushing Biden to back better plans.
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And I agreed with you that he could stand to move leftward re: free education and debt cancellation/bankruptcy.

Just keeping perspective here, if not for you, than for the thread in general.
 
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Poodlestrike

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Xaszatm said:
California already a $12 minimum wage so no one in this state would be under this protection. Anyone making more than $10/hour full time is making too much.
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Well, that depends on how many hours they're working. 12 only gets you there with a full 40 a week, every week, so anybody working part time - 1 job - would be eligible. I'd also be curious to know if it's pre or post tax... probably pre.

Anyway, good step in the right direction, could definitely be better.
 

xfactor99

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Here is Biden's student debt plan, for those who aren't aware yet; if you make over 25k you have to pay a max of 5% of your discretionary income above 25k towards your loan payments:
Biden's plan would simplify income-based repayment for federal student loans, and in the process, lower monthly payments.
  • If you make less than $25,000 per year: you would owe no payment on your undergraduate student loans and also no interest would accrue.
  • If you make more than $25,000 per year: you would pay only 5% of your discretionary income over $25,000 toward federal student loan payments.
After 20 years of student loan repayment, you would receive student loan forgiveness for your federal student loans. The amount of student loans forgiven also would not be subject to income tax. Borrowers also would be automatically enrolled in income-based repayment, with an option to opt out.
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Plan for Education Beyond High School | Joe Biden

Joe Biden's plan for education beyond high school will give hard-working Americans the chance to join or maintain their place in the middle class.
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mugurumakensei

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xfactor99 said:
Here is Biden's student debt plan, for those who aren't aware yet; if you make over 25k you have to pay a max of 5% of your discretionary income above 25k towards your loan payments:


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Plan for Education Beyond High School | Joe Biden

Joe Biden's plan for education beyond high school will give hard-working Americans the chance to join or maintain their place in the middle class.
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so if you made $26000 per year, your loan payments would be 5% of 1000 or $50/yr.
 
Selbran

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Might just be me projecting my "Look at this bitch eating his crackers" but I feel like Sanders keeps ignoring questions and going back to his regular stump speech that he gives at every one of these debates.
 
leeky

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Watching on CNN rn. Biden appears to have his faculties but is making shitty arguments. "Italy has MFH, and it's not working for them!" Cmon, Joe, you know that's not the reason...
 
boxter432

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Joe just gave up on his last statement when he saw his time was up lol

Bernie stop saying Ebola.
And Joe called it SARS.
 
Achtung

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Geeze man.. get the right virus down. This debate is odd.. I even hate how far apart they are on screen. I have yet to hear anything specific.. its so strange to me.

Ok Guessing the distance is on purpose.. just realized.
 
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Seeya

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Lyin' Biden and Liberals expect him to honestly fight for progressiveness? The same doofus that undermined Obama on Israel and was sidelined from negotiating with Republicans by his own party?
 
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Ashhong

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This is honestly my first time watching a presidential debate. Is it always like this? It feels intense
 
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