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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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*hydropilic attack posted this while quietly brushing Sander's heart attack underneath the rug*
I mean you can literally make up BS about anybody at any time. I don't even understand this argument. If everyone signal boosted Bernie having dementia because he just repeats the exact same speech literally everytime he talks, is that an argument that he shouldn't even be considered a candidate?
And people signal boost the stupidest videos all the time. I just broke down why the last one that was talked about in this thread was just a bunch of lies (like literally the claims on the tweet were contradicted by the video clip within the tweet). Funny how noone wanted to talk about it after I broke it down.
Show me any candidate who isn't "vulnerable to republican conspiracy theories"
Are you... this aren't equivalent at all. Do you know why?
Because Sanders showed symptoms, went to a doctor, and released the results of said assessments.
Can we just stop with the Biden is mentally declining stuff? It's clear that most voters don't give two shits about his mental acuity or even his ability to actually be able to do anything once he's in office. Democrats right now would nominate a pile of dog shit if they thought it had the best chance at beating Trump. The truth is that whatever is going on with Biden it's inconsequential to his viability. So until Biden is 100% incoherent or has a stroke on live tv the whole discussion is moot anyways.
You mean it was an actual diagnosed problem and not a dishonest attack narrative?
The truth is that whatever is or isn't going on with Biden is absolutely relevant to his viability. 'So until he's incoherent' is a pretty terrible metric for the candidate being pushed to beat Trump.
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While the basis of Biden's so-called dementia are a bunch of doctored videos.
So... why are you doing the job of the GOP for them?
Can't keep donations flowing to pay overpaid staff if you admit you can't win.
You shouldn't be commenting on what conspiracy theories are, let alone what is or isn't a dishonest attack as it pertains to mental health. Chances are you are not a doctor and this isn't about what you want Bidens state to be.
Sanders showed symptoms (that aren't externally obvious) and did the responsible thing. Biden regularly shows symptoms that ARE externally visible. What it is or isn't is up in the air. He should do the responsible thing and get checked out, for himself if nothing else.
Also though, because the appearance of the issue is enough to raise doubts, no matter how ardent you are (in making a pretty specious claim). If there is nothing there it's a political win for Biden to get checked out instead of making people see these symptoms and having to guess.
Your tactic is bad strategy no matter how you cut it. The perception is out there and it can either be weaponized or turned into a win.
He hired a bunch of social media trolls to run his campaign and he got what he paid for.
I mean I would believe you if it weren't for the fact that he's currently winning the primary.
Of course if his mental faculties decline even further then yes that could end up being a problem for his viability. But as of the moment it does not seem to be an issue for the majority of democrats.
Paying for people who are a net negative to your campaign is worse than not hiring them at all.
yep.
You have a former campaigner for Jill Stein and a speech writer that was fired in 1999 because he tried to weaponize white racism, and the candidate he was working for did not like that approach considering both him and his opponent were POC.
Biden still has a muslim outreach coordinator with ties to Modi so the bad staff talk is pretty fucking rich
What he paid for = a campaign that's standing toe to toe against the entire media apparatus.
Sounds pretty good to me.
What he's paid for: A campaign that's lost nearly a third of its voters relative to 2016.
That only sounds good if you don't actually care about winning.
Did Sanders hire social media trolls or did he hire social media people and we are calling them trolls?
Let's be clear, Sirota was hired because of that campaign, not in spite of it. After being fired, he only spent a couple of months of interning at AIPAC before Sanders brought him on a as a speechwriter
From a Bogus Website to Bernie Sanders's Inner Circle
David Sirota got fired from a Philly campaign 20 years ago for a racially charged “dirty trick” before he first went to work for the progressive from Vermont.
www.theatlantic.com
I don't think calling them trolls is helpful for discussion even if they do things we don't always like.
Jesus. God knows what you think the Warren campaign should be paid.
This would certainly explain so much of the current state of affairs here.
whether it's "right" to comment on his mental acuity or not it's not going away. will be the 2020 version of her e-mails, friends with bill ayers, ect
people en mass will be brute forced into 'caring' about it
Anything short of a time machine to prevent the M4A endorsement and have her angle run as the leftmost moderate option (not moderate at all but speaking the language of one) wouldn't have helped. Everyone who tried the "go left" strategy (learning the wrong lessons from 2016) ended up running out of oxygen due to not being able to peel off Bernie voters who weren't budging.
it would seem the cat is out of the bag in terms of unnecessary shots taken at sanders staffers in this thread
poor social media vetting and PPOs with a sketchy history are pretty common in electoral politics. Sanders' campaign is not nearly the outlier on this issue that it is painted as.
I mean his staffers deserve to be held accountable for the things they do, just as Biden's do. I just don't think labeling them as trolls helps anyone.
Bickering over what Bernie couldn't do or how he needed to compromise is going to look real fucking stupid by the end of this year. Thankfully if Joe gets it, we will be in such dire straits that he will have no choice but to be more progressive with his policy.
"I have a compromised immune system, but I'm still only 21, but I'm not even worried because I take supplements and I self medicate." seems like what someone would say if they were trying to make fun of one of these people. But this isn't proof of much when you had people of all ages crowding OHare and Costcos.
His outreach coordinator could be Fairuz herself, no one is forgetting about the drone strikes. Doesn't surprise me that they put in 0 effort.
The part about Biden that bothers me the most is that he knows that he has 0 good will among most minorities for past atrocities but that they have no other choice. When people attempt to hold him accountable, he doesn't justify or rationalize his actions, he taunts people with "then vote for Trump".
That doesn't explain his favorables among a lot of those people, or people saying they trust him more than Sanders, even PoC.
I think her voice dripping with sarcasm and her friends laughing as she was saying it were the giveaways that she may have been joking here. Still just a hypothesis though. Lab results should be in within the week.
That's just how young people sound to me nowadays thanks to having a kid in college.
My understanding was that Muslims and Latinos broke for Bernie?
In the Democratic electorate, 36% of the voters are nonwhite. 27% black, 7% latino, 2% non-white/black/latino.
Here and there yeah, I mean I wouldn't say that's true for Florida for example. Bernie also gets a lot of the black youth voters but doesn't have the favorables Biden has with older ones. It's just not true that Biden has "0 good will among most minorities".
The airport crowding is Trump's fault, people are heading home rightfully due to the travel bans but those policies are being implemented horribly, resulting in delays and long lines.
Can we please remember while we bicker Trump's incompetence, corruption, sheer disregard for Americans is about to actually fuck us up. If Bernie or Biden engage in a debate that hurts either one, I will be sorely disappointed. 4 more years of Trump is unacceptable to anyone, moderate, centrist, or leftist.
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