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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Did i once say that you should not vote for Biden in the general. No, but if your one argument for why Biden is good is "TRUMPBAD" than it sounds like biden sucks shit
I also want you to say this into the eyes of a Palestinian child
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A primary is a competition, as long as their attacks aren't lies there's nothing wrong with attacking other candidates.
Completely agree that Biden needs to earn the vote of Bernie supporters. On the other hand it feels like a catch-22 for Bernie supporters. If we vote for Biden , it means we're helping defeat trump, a vile and despicable racist and sexist who is causing tangible harm to people. On the other hand, supporting Biden signals to the DNC that they don't have to change and that they can continue putting forth these shit candidates that won't change anything purely on the basis that they aren't Republican.
It fucking sucks and I hate it.
honest to god, part of why Bernie is getting shafted is probably cause its Trump, shit is just too important to lose. Majority of democrats are open to Bernie's policies, but they just want to remove Trump more.
Sounds like Hispanic voters are in for big 7 hour lines like those in Texas. It's a scary situation with Coronavirus out there in untold numbers of Americans. I can't blame the guy for refusing to go through with that announcement.
implying that Biden had a corruption problem for one when he's been one of the few politicians to not own a stock for most of his political career
Bernie Sanders Apologizes for Op-Ed Alleging Biden Is Corrupt
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders apologized for a surrogate's op-ed—that his campaign amplified—claiming Biden has a 'big corruption problem'
www.mediaite.com
note: this was blasted out to tons of Bernie supporters on mailing list. While Bernie apologizes, it was nevertheless action taken by two operatives high up in Bernie's campaign. Should also be noted Briahna Joy Gray was a part of the Jill Stein campaign.
Damn sucks that Sanders disavowed that op-ed cause that shit slapsimplying that Biden had a corruption problem for one when he's been one of the few politicians to not own a stock for most of his political career
Bernie Sanders Apologizes for Op-Ed Alleging Biden Is Corrupt
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders apologized for a surrogate's op-ed—that his campaign amplified—claiming Biden has a 'big corruption problem'
Claiming that Biden is suffering from dementia has no basis in reality. That's what people have an issue with.
So are endorsements. If Bernie wants to burn bridges and not even attempt to work with others, that's his fault.
This erasure is fucking repulsive. Just stop it. Joe Biden is increasing turnout, winning by huge margins among black voters, suburban voters and working class voters in swing states that will decide this election.
Continue screaming about the establishment stealing this nomination from Sanders though. He benefited from the anti-Hillary vote in 2016 and has done absolutely nothing to shore up support since then.
Going to bat for racist white voters in Mississippi, going to bat for racist white voters in Florida, not even trying to sit down and hash out ideological differences with influential lawmakers like Rep Clyburn and others in the CBC, shunning appearances in Southern states with large black populations, not showing up in Selma, running an ad with President Obama speaking nice about him after wanting to primary him in 2012 and on and on and on we go. Just because Sanders marched in a Civil Rights rally ain't gonna work.
That's right. Won't happen if we don't win in November. Joe Biden is the best chance of that happening.
I am hopeful that Biden wins over the rational and non-racist, non-conspiracy theory believing voters from Sanders' campaign. That is something he should, and I think will, do. The "bros" who are so far off the deep end they're almost indistinguishable from Trump voters can continue whining on the internet.
As for earning votes, it's something Bernie Sanders hasn't done a great job of. The policies are very popular, the man isn't. Why shouldn't he have to earn the votes of my community, the African American community? Or any other communities. It seems the hardcore Sanders supporters think that our support is owed to him and if we don't then it's because we're "low information voters who don't know what's good for us".
It isn't, sorry.
implying that Biden had a corruption problem for one when he's been one of the few politicians to not own a stock for most of his political career
Bernie Sanders Apologizes for Op-Ed Alleging Biden Is Corrupt
Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders apologized for a surrogate's op-ed—that his campaign amplified—claiming Biden has a 'big corruption problem'
note: this was blasted out to tons of Bernie supporters on mailing list. While Bernie apologizes, it was nevertheless action taken by two operatives high up in Bernie's campaign. Should also be noted Briahna Joy Gray was a part of the Jill Stein campaign.
Wait, you think the Zephyr Teachout article was a lie?
Yeah this is the silver lining. Progressives likely won't have a shot at the Oval Office for another 16 years. In the meantime we can work on electing progressives to congress who might be able to pass progressive legislation as long as a democrat is president.
I really hope that if sanders loses he still acts as a lightning rod for progressives. If Biden wins the general we still need to fight like hell to get things like M4A passed.
JOE BIDEN HAS A FUCKING F RATING ON HIS CLIMATE PLAN. JOE BIDEN SAID HE'D VETO MEDICARE FOR ALL. Joe Biden is not going to fix anything HE IS THE PROBLEM
It's not corruption for sure which by default makes it a lie. Almost all his political funding he has used on his campaigns.he has one of the lowest net worth of any politician. So, where's the corruption? Taking campaign funds?
Bernie Sanders has not passed a bill he proposed.
Bernie Sanders has not supplied any information that shows his plans are feasible and likely to pass.
Bernie Sanders would likely end up with no climate bill like what he would want. In fact, it'd look a whole lot like what Biden would get passed.
Bernie Sanders is the problem.
How Biden helped create the student debt problem he now promises to fix
The former vice-president and 2020 presidential hopeful backed a 2005 bill that stripped students of bankruptcy protections and left millions in financial stress
www.theguardian.com
If you're putting all of your faith in any candidate for President to "change the system," then that's kind of on you since it's congress that passes laws. That's where you need to be more passionate in elections. Hoping that a President will come in and have congress just go along with all of their proposals is pure fantasy. None of Bernie's proposals would make it through congress as he's pitched them. The funny thing is, even if they got watered down enough to eventually be able to pass, people would still complain about them not going far enough.
Go listen to that interview again. He doesn't say what you think he says.
The fact that you can't address anything else and are in this thread with nothing but ridiculous hyperbole is incredibly transparent.
If you would take the time, you'd already realize that 99% of us want Biden to move further left on numerous issues. We're just not the ones posting alt-right sourced conspiracy theories.
F Rating from who? And you're ignoring some important context for Biden's comments.
Have you even fucking read his transcript on M4A?
Yes. It was an article that more or less tries to justify both sidesism in an effort to try to prop up Bernie Sanders.
Yeah, ignoring the bit where he repeated right wing propaganda about "HoW aRE WE GoINg To PaY FOr IT?"
But no it's the bernie bros who are like the right
Dude, stop being right all the time while everyone else is wrong, just fucking be evil. God if only Sanders sucked ass than he'd be a better politician
I mean a huge part of being a politician is getting your policies passed. Having good policy means nothing if it never makes it out the door. It's the equivalent of doing nothing for the sake of grand standing.
and more importantly since the president has no direct legislative power, it's even more important that the president be able to use soft negotiation powers such as building congressional coalitions to put forward legislation.
What's terrifying is if you go to the SandersForPresident subreddit, the entire first 3 pages are literally this (Biden's positions being taken out of context), claims that he has dementia and election fraud conspiracy theories.
Trump has created cults of personality around politicians to such a degree I don't see the political process ever being healed from it.
I'm sorry but i'm going to become an adult in a world fucked by climate change. At this point I really don't care, i just need hope
What does that even mean. I should have kept you ignored but you are arguing in bad faith.
Here's one example from that article.
You can argue this stuff doesn't matter but this is clearly an example of corruption.
It's depressing that we can't even expect our elected officials to pass legislation like Medicare 4 All when a majority of their constituents support it. It's no wonder why so many people don't vote in this country. Continually electing the same status quo for politicians who will change the absolute bare minimum and expecting any substantial material change is the definition of insanity. People don't vote because they know that it doesn't really matter whether they vote republican or Democrat, they are still going to get fucked at the end of the day.
I would take some solace that likely half or more of those are Russian Bots and trolls from their farms. At least, I hope as much. Not much, but it's something.
If i have to hear the words russia one more time i'm going to melt into dust.
That's not an example of corruption. That's an example of lobbying and of Biden representing his constituents. Credit Card companies employ a lot of workers in Delaware.
That's disingenuous. He can represent his constituents w/o taking money from the credit card industry.
Yeah, corruption has nothing to do with big corporations influencing politicians with large sums of money.
Why? They do have a measurable impact on the online discourse whether you like it or not.
Imagine thinking corporations are constituents. That's straight up Republican logic.
not really large sums of money he ever directly saw. The first year where Biden saw more than his politician salary was 2017 where he got $11 million from selling a book.
otherwise, all the money went to his campaigns.
People who work at credit card companies get counted as credit card companies for their campaign donations. Gets brought up all the time.
The credit card industry IS your constituency if you are a Senator from Delaware.
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