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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Gotta love how they keep screaming about the young voters being suppressed while also hoping old voters get scared away from the poles by COVID-19.
Stay classy, dudes.
Wait you actually have to write a report? I always just thought people wrote, "He was mean to me" and that was it given how things seem to work around here with bans.
So the Republican playbook. Rather be a Liberal than whatever this is.
Actually, why should anyone feel bad about being a liberal? Liberals get stuff done; progressives would rather wax poetic on the Internet than actually go out and vote.
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Some are for sure. It was pretty gross seeing it trend on twitter. Didn't expect to see that rhetoric here.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you." - Nietzsche
I absolutely expected to see sentiments similar here from Bernie supporters. I just expected them to be far more subtle about it.
Dunno about that, kinda feel like the Trump family is trying to be a dynasty so I'm going to suggest they aren't over, they are being replaced by new dynasties.
......same could be said about another place i know. I'm wondering if there was any forethought before he posted.
It's only good if it suppresses an ideological rival demographic. It's bad if it keeps ideological allies from the polls.
People, as always, don't generally like to get along.
11. Maybe referring to half the country as deplorable isn't a good campaign strategy.
And people told me campaigns don't change their platforms for the General.....
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Well, if you're not gonna vote, at least you got time for memes.
I would argue that the Geneology of Morals made the case that Nietzchie was refering not to a binary dichotomy of morals, but a watchfulness as to language itself. A warning not to be as those whom yield use it to manipulate thought and framing. The Abyss itself isn't meant to have an 'alignment'.
Also I'm not advocating for Boomers to die, I'm saying that Boomers voting in smaller relative numbers and getting less exposure to a life threatening communicable virus would be a net good (mutually exclusive and interdependently).
But you do you.
I'd agree if young people were voting, but they're not.
it doesn't make a difference. For her own brand, she shouldn't endorse anyone. Same deal as the Obamas who would obviously endorse Biden. Why alienate more people during an intraparty race? It won't help Biden and will just piss off Sanders supporters more, both against the nominee and against Warren. She can endorse when it is 100% decided
Look at the backlash against Yang for saying he endorsed Biden because the race is over and he pledged to support the nominee
it's almost like there is a strategy more productive than public
one doesn't preclude the other
your approach to the issue reads more as a post hoc rationalization then argumentative charity. It is after all a very intuitive point I'm trying to make.
in my mind the occams razor explanation is that young people understand their plight in relative terms better then people who dont share in it and don't vote for other reasons like economic precarity, despair, alienation and structural barriers to entry.
All of which affect older black voters to the same if not greater extent.
And yet they're still voting.
The answer to improving life in a democratic and fair way is for more people to vote, not to hope the other side doesn't vote.
If people don't agree with your worldview or politics, your job is to work to change their mind.
If people do agree with your politics, your job is to get them to vote, lol.
If people don't agree with your worldview or politics, your job is to work to change their mind.
If people do agree with your politics, your job is to get them to vote, lol.
(rhetorically, of course) If that's the case, then why are people in their 40's in the hospital? Why are 20 year olds also getting it?
Progressive is a meaningless word, you're looking for (I assume) leftists.
And to the surprise of no one, before us we see a poster having invoked —but never read— Nitchzie also not reading my post.
This gives hope that Bernie camp can convince Biden to take on M4A, at least in some part if not in whole. Perhaps Warren can help with that as well, as her plan was similar to Bernie's, but also dealt with Biden's largest grievance - that being raising middle class taxes.
Ms. Bridge Snek to the rescue?
A cue that Biden would be receptive to changing his platform. This is a positive development.
Which voters gave us Trump? Where are those doorknobs located?
I'm pretty sure youth voting (in raw numbers) is up. Young people face massive structural challenges to voting that are not present for the older more we'll of voters. For instance how many people here are even aware the targeted efforts to suppress youth voting following the midterms?
that's just not the case for everything i mentioned, but it fits the narrative so i am most certainly not going to dispute that you seem to think it is the case
at the risk of expressing "hostility" most of the political analysis that goes on in this thread consists of throwing around single dynamic "maxims" that would not fly as analysis in an undergrad soc-sci essay
which at the end of the day is fine, people are just posting it's not anyone's job and there are no exams. However I am under no obligation to take that level of analysis seriously
Are black voters more or less disenfranchised than young voters?
Who are these people and why should I give any credence to their analysis?
they should be giving credence cause they're muddying the waters with the fact that the largest demo that broke for Biden was Blackvoters in the south. What matters is we not think about the real reasons Bernie Sanders lost and instead invent narratives where it wasn't foolish to try to win the nomination with 30% of democratic voters.
ok first off strucutural barriers was one of four reasons i gave and you are ignorning most of them to drill down to one example that can delegitimize the broader point. just so we're clear
there is not a blanket statement answer so you'll have to ask different questions, this is because
1. there are different barriers in place for different groups
2. those barriers are not evenly distributed
3. there in an intersectional aspect of demography. there are young black voters and old white voters
4. intersectionality means treating race as an important vector but not to the exlcusion of age and class
but either way it's immaterial to the point i was making because it was never hinged on some hypothetical relative ranking of net structural disenfranchisement
This is not a claim about binaries (Personally, I try to stay away from those in general because they severely limit thinking.) and it certainly isn't a claim that the Abyss is some sort of alignment.
It's basically just me asking you to take a step back and reassess the situation, because I think you are misreading it and are saying some gross shit as a consequence.
shhh. We don't need any facts here. Yes, they did and it was held up by judges in Dec 2019.
Medicare for America (an already existing piece of legislation in the House, and the one Beto pretty much just adopted wholesale for his presidential run) seems like a solid halfway point between M4All and simply offering a public option.
This is a pretty good run down of M4America versus All:
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/explaining-medicare-medicare-america/story?id=62341639
Essentially guarantees public coverage for everyone, but allows you to buy private insurance if you'd really rather prefer that. The major difference between this and Biden's public option to me is intent, the priorities are flipped. The ACA was structured around reforming private insurance, and the public option proposal back then (which it should be pointed out was much weaker than what Biden is currently running on) was more just about having a fail-safe option in case private insurance wasn't cutting it.
Some have argued this would create kind of a backdoor in which case the public option would become Americans' de facto healthcare plan and slowly kill private insurance, which I think could still happen, but with M4America that seems like the more deliberate goal. It's not built on getting people on private insurance, with a public option just in case - instead that whole dynamic is flip-flopped.
I dunno, I'm sure it wouldn't please everybody but it seems like a fair compromise between the two approaches. Everyone gets covered, but private insurance isn't banned.
"in a election cycle where it seems like the priorities of the young are to help everyone and the priorities of the old are to hedge their bets"
I don't disagree with most of what you say here, but I do fundamentally disagree with this line. Both groups want to help everyone, they just tend to have very different theories of how that help comes about,
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