Any "division" from this is division that is not going away regardless of what happens.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Any "division" from this is division that is not going away regardless of what happens.
At least Bernie would push for that reform, instead of massively watering down the public option like Biden. Sadly, Dem voters didn't want a man who could push for genuine change, and we'll be here again asking for an actual decent healthcare system 4 years later. Being an outsider living in a country with universal healthcare, even though our government is shit too, I realize I am speaking from a position of immense privilege, but there are people in the US I care about and I want them to have better living standards.
It's Laughable that some people here actually think that Bernie still has a chance. I like Bernie but it's over.
Warren underperformed everywhere. For whatever reason, many Democrats really didn't dig her.
Which I still don't get, but Warren had little floor and very little ceiling despite everything she tried to do.
I never said he was entitled to those votes. It's absolutely Bernie's right to continue on if he so chooses.
But that doesn't really change the reality of the situation. And now with the Coronavirus I actually do think there are compelling public health reasons to not drag this on further when the end result isn't really in doubt.
He's not a great candidate.
And apparently, Bernie is even worse. So... Do you want to weaken the candidate that isn't particularly strong of coalesce the party to defeat the largest existential threat I've ever seen in my lifetime?
You didn't really answer the question. What gets accomplished? How are people without healthcare benefited by a guy who fights for better and compromises versus another guy who fights for better and compromises to the exact same place?
And I am referencing Boots buying into the conspiracy theory that US sanctions on Venezuela are what caused the current state of their country, and not mass cronyism in a corrupt government that hollowed out a petrostate's primary economic apparatus.
His point about exit polls is absolutely nonsensical in the context of the current primary.
Bernie should not drop before the debate and I'm glad he didn't. Joe does not automatically earn Bernie's votes and he needs to answer some of Bernie's completely legitimate questions and concerns if he wants our vote. I hope he does during the debate and I look forward to it.
If Bernie's so bad that Biden will walk all over him as he did in Michigan, he has little to worry about.
I was talking about this on Discord yesterday. This would never catch on like the deplorable thing because no one sane would wear a "I am full of shit" t-shirt because it is sucha universal meaning. Deplorable worked because a ) hillary was a woman and b) cause it sounded like some fancy west coast book learning
Bernie really needs to hit Biden hard in the debate about his past support for raising the Social Security age or cutting Medicare. Because he needs to be ready for these line of attacks from Trump in a one-on-one debate. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't do that Sunday.
For like the third time in the last few pages, whenever one candidate has guaranteed victory in the primary, there are always calls for everyone else to drop out to begin the process of uniting the party.
Bernie is not getting anything put on him that every other losing candidate hasn't had before.
This seems oddly fatalistic.
Not to mention we've all wanted someone to tell Trump he's full of shit for the past 4 years. Biden can be that surrogate for us.
Regardless of who's on the ticket at the end, I hope Bernie ethers Biden and highlights how lacking his policies are. We already know we have to beat Trump. I'm not interested in rounding up and sugar-coating Biden's mediocrity just cause of that fact. He still needs to be called out.
From a Bernie insurgency to win the nomination? He has nothing to worry about at all.
At this point, the only question is: how hard will Bernie go at Biden now? Is there anything to gain from Bernie going all in... Or, should he hold back some punches and debate him on the merits of his policy ideas?
Are we going to see attack ads? Is Bernie still going to be raising money?
If people hear what they want to hear, they're not gonna let google pour cold water on it.
This would suck, but I would not hate THIS as a reasoning as much as the other variant.
his point was about US interference in foreign countries and the different standards we apply to our own elections, but you'd rather change the subject. I get it
Bernie only talked about policy positions in the news conference. I doubt he'll bring up anything else. This is the guy who said "we're all sick and tired of hearing about Hillary's emails" in a 2016 debate.
You not wrong, no matter how crazy something is you can find tweets to support it. And who needs facts when you have @tiggolebitties39833 agreeing with you
What's up with the Washington primary results? It's been stuck at 67 percent. Does the slow counting have something to do with coronavirus?
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Live Results: Washington State Presidential Primary 2020 (Published 2020)
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Its not like there were no options to choose from when it comes to US meddling with South American elections and goverments. For much less, like having a less neoliberal agenda.
It's an uncomfortable argument that isn't really "fair" to Bernie, and that sucks.
But....it's kinda the reality of the global situation.
It's also not widely dismissive. It'll never catch on as a negative. In fact, our politics has made it pretty normal discourse.
Vote by mail means it is slow going to get the full count.What's up with the Washington primary results? It's been stuck at 67 percent. Does the slow counting have something to do with coronavirus?
Live Results: Washington State Presidential Primary 2020 (Published 2020)
Detailed results and maps from the Washington presidential primary election.
it was a very polite speech. He flat-out referred to Biden as his friend, I don't think it's going to get ugly when and if he loses.
They have a lot of mail in ballots, that takes timeWhat's up with the Washington primary results? It's been stuck at 67 percent. Does the slow counting have something to do with coronavirus?
Live Results: Washington State Presidential Primary 2020 (Published 2020)
Detailed results and maps from the Washington presidential primary election.
No one's saying exit poll = votes. There's just saying the discrepancy is larger than normal and more than the 2% limit that the UN investigates.
The constant tweets from random ass people is so fucking frustrating. IDGAF what jim jam mcdoofus has to say about any of this.
Bernie is handling losing far better than he did in 2016. Even most of the Hillary people I follow on Twitter are fine with Sanders speech and the approach he laid out. (With a few exceptions but they're just crazy).
It wasn't meant that way. Just a statement of observation. Most folks don't follow politics closely. Even fewer folks have been engaged as long as I have relative to their age (the first election I followed closely was Clinton/Dole in '96 when I was 7 because my mom wanted me to be informed).
To put it differently, are you more likely to put more stock in someone's friend saying they're a great dude, or saying they're a piece of shit? And what if they said they were a piece of shit then later said they were a great dude when the guy is standing there?
Sanders and Biden are on the same side relative to Trump. Negative statements are far more believable coming from your ally than positive ones. Likewise, your enemy speaking well of you carries more weight than them speaking ill of you.
Props to Bernie even when he goes after someone's policies he tries to keep it civil.
Oh okay, I didn't realize that. Thanks.
Why is it toxic to dump on Bernie when this thread has been nothing but dumping on candidates for months?
We're not applying a different standard to our elections. That person on Twitter is being an idiot and not understanding data.
This is getting close to to "muzzling your angry Nina Turner" territory that a Buttigeg-staffer had to apologize for a few months ago...
Its a retweet over a valid concern, ffs.
No it isn't. Nothing that's being said is true.
People really need to stop with this crap.
That is a valid vector to come at Biden from that isn't just lashing out.
Just because the point is made doesn't mean people have to agree with it. Biden isn't guaranteed victory until he actually wins, which is why both Hillary and Sanders stayed until the end in 2008 and 2016, respectively.
When Bernie was leading and other Democrats were propping up an uninspired Biden campaign and Biden was nearly declared dead, the thought process wasn't that others needed to drop so we could get on with the general.
We're literally putting a guy up against Trump who can effectively be beaten down about cutting entitlements, and we're okay with him not being tested on it like Sanders was with M4A. Biden literally has zilch to worry about if he sleepwalks into next Tuesday with an overwhelming win again and just notches win after win.
Biden has quite a bit of baggage and bad votes that he hasn't talked about. Trump has said he would consider cutting social security/Medicare. Only one of the main two candidates in the Dem race hasn't said that, and it would be a powerful distinction. Biden had no problem going hard after Bernie's M4A plan; I think Biden needs to be prepared when his statements about Social Security and Medicare come up in a general election debate.
He undermined his own point by showing how he doesn't know how exit polls work. They are literally just asking random people who voted who they voted for. That premise stands on 1) people wanting to talk to you, and 2) people willing to tell you the truth. Just a little of bit of critical thinking would tell you why they might not max up one to one with actual votes
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