It's not a matter of "handling" Bernie, it's about using this time to come together as a party, rather than sow further division.
Any "division" from this is division that is not going away regardless of what happens.
It's not a matter of "handling" Bernie, it's about using this time to come together as a party, rather than sow further division.
Why would the senate be more willing to pass massive reforms under Bernie than under Biden?
You know the answer.
Google is free and easy.
It says that Bernies 30% weren't budging. His ceiling is pitiful and I think Warren could have pushed past it. Once he decided to hop in I knew neither one had a chance. And it sucks. Progressives backed the worse progressive candidate.
I never said he was entitled to those votes. It's absolutely Bernie's right to continue on if he so chooses.Biden is not entitled automatically to the rest of the state's voter's votes. You know that better than anyone else when you argued for the same thing with no one being entitled to Warren's voters.
Biden has yet to make a case for himself in a one-on-one setting. He is not entitled to anything, even if the current trends and results do strongly favor him. There is a general election after this which will be a much harsher environment to him.
Again, if debating Bernie and campaigning against him "sows" division -- an accusation that's never leveled at others -- then he's not really a good candidate. Obama was able to get past the division and the racist Hillary voters and win handily.
At least Bernie would push for that reform, instead of massively watering down the public option like Biden. Sadly, Dem voters didn't want a man who could push for genuine change, and we'll be here again asking for an actual decent healthcare system 4 years later. Being an outsider living in a country with universal healthcare, even though our government is shit too, I realize I am speaking from a position of immense privilege, but there are people in the US I care about and I want them to have better living standards.
And I am referencing Boots buying into the conspiracy theory that US sanctions on Venezuela are what caused the current state of their country, and not mass cronyism in a corrupt government that hollowed out a petrostate's primary economic apparatus.the idea that Joe surged due to his "amazing" debate performance is hilarious
he is literally referencing the 2% discrepancy in the exit polls in the Bolivian election in October. It's not provocative enough to make your point, so you're lying.
He's not a great candidate.
And apparently, Bernie is even worse. So... Do you want to weaken the candidate that isn't particularly strong of coalesce the party to defeat the largest existential threat I've ever seen in my lifetime?
I was talking about this on Discord yesterday. This would never catch on like the deplorable thing because no one sane would wear a "I am full of shit" t-shirt because it is sucha universal meaning. Deplorable worked because a ) hillary was a woman and b) cause it sounded like some fancy west coast book learningI think people are underestimating how effective "you're full of shit" is as a campaign message against Trump, lol.
For like the third time in the last few pages, whenever one candidate has guaranteed victory in the primary, there are always calls for everyone else to drop out to begin the process of uniting the party.Again, if debating Bernie and campaigning against him "sows" division -- an accusation that's never leveled at others -- then he's not really a good candidate. Obama was able to get past the division and the racist Hillary voters and win handily.
This seems oddly fatalistic.Any "division" from this is division that is not going away regardless of what happens.
I think with the quieter, smaller scale of this debate, the candidates could use it to both contrast Bernie's difference from Biden's and where Bernie and Biden agree on progress over Trump. It could be a real come together moment if their egos allow it to happen.
If Bernie's so bad that Biden will walk all over him as he did in Michigan, he has little to worry about.
If people hear what they want to hear, they're not gonna let google pour cold water on it.
But that doesn't really change the reality of the situation. And now with the Coronavirus I actually do think there are compelling public health reasons to not drag this on further when the end result isn't really in doubt.
his point was about US interference in foreign countries and the different standards we apply to our own elections, but you'd rather change the subject. I get itAnd I am referencing Boots buying into the conspiracy theory that US sanctions on Venezuela are what caused the current state of their country, and not mass cronyism in a corrupt government that hollowed out a petrostate's primary economic apparatus.
His point about exit polls is absolutely nonsensical in the context of the current primary.
Bernie only talked about policy positions in the news conference. I doubt he'll bring up anything else. This is the guy who said "we're all sick and tired of hearing about Hillary's emails" in a 2016 debate.From a Bernie insurgency to win the nomination? He has nothing to worry about at all.
At this point, the only question is: how hard will Bernie go at Biden now? Is there anything to gain from Bernie going all in... Or, should he hold back some punches and debate him on the merits of his policy ideas?
Are we going to see attack ads? Is Bernie still going to be raising money?
You not wrong, no matter how crazy something is you can find tweets to support it. And who needs facts when you have @tiggolebitties39833 agreeing with youIf people hear what they want to hear, they're not gonna let google pour cold water on it.
his point was about US interference in foreign countries and the different standards we apply to our own elections, but you'd rather change the subject. I get it
It's an uncomfortable argument that isn't really "fair" to Bernie, and that sucks.This would suck, but I would not hate THIS as a reasoning as much as the other variant.
I was talking about this on Discord yesterday. This would never catch on like the deplorable thing because no one sane would wear a "I am full of shit" t-shirt because it is sucha universal meaning. Deplorable worked because a ) hillary was a woman and b) cause it sounded like some fancy west coast book learning
Vote by mail means it is slow going to get the full count.What's up with the Washington primary results? It's been stuck at 67 percent. Does the slow counting have something to do with coronavirus?
Live Results: Washington State Presidential Primary 2020 (Published 2020)
Detailed results and maps from the Washington presidential primary election.www.nytimes.com
it was a very polite speech. He flat-out referred to Biden as his friend, I don't think it's going to get ugly when and if he loses.Meh, I thought Sanders was dropping today, but there's not much harm if he stays in another week. Provided he doesn't go negative and try and tear down the ultimate winner.
This next week will be consumed by coronavirus. If Biden gets the opportunity to showcase stable leadership, then nothing matters.
They have a lot of mail in ballots, that takes timeWhat's up with the Washington primary results? It's been stuck at 67 percent. Does the slow counting have something to do with coronavirus?
Live Results: Washington State Presidential Primary 2020 (Published 2020)
Detailed results and maps from the Washington presidential primary election.www.nytimes.com
I saw this conspiracy theory post on Twitter and can't stop shaking my head.
How can people not know that exit polls are not the same thing as actual votes.
Like how the fuck is this even possible lol.
You not wrong, no matter how crazy something is you can find tweets to support it. And who needs facts when you have @tiggolebitties39833 agreeing with you
It wasn't meant that way. Just a statement of observation. Most folks don't follow politics closely. Even fewer folks have been engaged as long as I have relative to their age (the first election I followed closely was Clinton/Dole in '96 when I was 7 because my mom wanted me to be informed).Although your first line is chastising, you are right about my attention to politics, dear friend.
To put it differently, are you more likely to put more stock in someone's friend saying they're a great dude, or saying they're a piece of shit? And what if they said they were a piece of shit then later said they were a great dude when the guy is standing there?I get the negative sound bytes, but what about the positive ones? Or, is it just that the negative ones will always outweigh the positive? Which, I do think is probably true.
it was a very polite speech. He flat-out referred to Biden as his friend, I don't think it's going to get ugly when and if he loses.
Recently people have generally been all for him.
He loses Super Tuesday and all the people that hate him just crawl out of the woodwork, seemingly incensed that he won't drop out, bringing up 2016 and whatever else they can to try and dump on him.
It's just sad, this thread is so damn toxic.
his point was about US interference in foreign countries and the different standards we apply to our own elections, but you'd rather change the subject. I get it
I have no fear of Bernie really getting negative. My only fear is of his staff. Briahna already retweeted something referencing mental decline. As long as he seals that shit up, awesome.
No one's saying exit poll = votes. There's just saying the discrepancy is larger than normal and more than the 2% limit that the UN investigates.
This is getting close to to "muzzling your angry Nina Turner" territory that a Buttigeg-staffer had to apologize for a few months ago...
Its a retweet over a valid concern, ffs.
That is a valid vector to come at Biden from that isn't just lashing out.Bernie really needs to hit Biden hard in the debate about his past support for raising the Social Security age or cutting Medicare. Because he needs to be ready for these line of attacks from Trump in a one-on-one debate. I'll be disappointed if he doesn't do that Sunday.
This is getting close to to "muzzling your angry Nina Turner" territory that a Buttigeg-staffer had to apologize for a few months ago...
Its a retweet over a valid concern, ffs.
For like the third time in the last few pages, whenever one candidate has guaranteed victory in the primary, there are always calls for everyone else to drop out to begin the process of uniting the party.
Bernie is not getting anything put on him that every other losing candidate hasn't had before.
From a Bernie insurgency to win the nomination? He has nothing to worry about at all.
At this point, the only question is: how hard will Bernie go at Biden now? Is there anything to gain from Bernie going all in... Or, should he hold back some punches and debate him on the merits of his policy ideas?
Are we going to see attack ads? Is Bernie still going to be raising money?
He undermined his own point by showing how he doesn't know how exit polls work. They are literally just asking random people who voted who they voted for. That premise stands on 1) people wanting to talk to you, and 2) people willing to tell you the truth. Just a little of bit of critical thinking would tell you why they might not max up one to one with actual voteshis point was about US interference in foreign countries and the different standards we apply to our own elections, but you'd rather change the subject. I get it