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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Yes, and that process has happened. Biden won. There is no reasonable chance for Bernie to get a plurality, let alone a majority, of delegates.
It's Bernie's right to continue on, but that doesn't mean we can't think it's a bad and fruitless idea with no real upside.
If he wants to use the debate to further push his policies, fine. But going hard under a mistaken belief he might win as a result benefits no one.
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if they both debate with civility and just exchanging ideas, then fine
but if Bernie starts going in all negative; then launch the attacks ads
but if Bernie starts going in all negative; then launch the attacks ads
My point exactly. Who cares what Bernie fans say or do at this junction?
Why should he be proud? Isn't he doing substantially worse than 4 years ago?
thanks for the laugh. Biden has barely campaigned and as soon as he has clinched the Dem nomination the media will turn on him. Don't say we didn't warn you
And if Bernie had done it, you people would be cheering him on instead of pretending to care about a gun nut's feelings, and you would be right to do so. "Swearing at a constituent," oh the horror. The guy was a Republican gun nut, not a part of Joe's constituency. I agree that the shushing was shitty.
You have at least 2 or 3 other outbursts that show that Joe is an easily pissed-off asshole who can't take honest criticism for shit, but putting an authentic call-out of a conservative liar on the same level as those other incidents just to score some points on him is pathetic and only serves to cheapen a very valid argument about how Joe sucks. Fuck Republicans, the world would be a better place if more people were willing to call out their lies so strongly. Hell, Joe would be a much better president than I ever thought possible if he starts treating Republican politicians the same way instead of deluding himself into thinking they're his friends.
If Biden loses it'll be because he sucks, not because someone pointed out that he sucks. We can't just hide him, pretend it's all good, and pray no one notices.
Yeah...good to see I'm not going crazy over here.
I think more people are going to be turned off due to all this but we'll see.
I want to be wrong.
Can't believe it's 2020 and the leading Democratic candidate doesn't support weed legalization. Absolutely bonkers.
If Biden wants to get young people to turn out for him, that'd be a good start.
If Biden wants to get young people to turn out for him, that'd be a good start.
I'm sorry you wrote all that out when I don't believe that Biden is the strongest candidate to take on Trump in 2020 nor do I believe he ran a good campaign, nor do I think he's been a good debater, nor am I saying that Bernie staying in for the next debate is necessarily an evil thing. I'm saying if Biden completely melts down on stage (won't happen) it won't help Bernie win the primary. I think Bernie knows that.
Who believes it here. Either show it or stop repeating obvious lies.
Technically Biden's for decriminalization. Which is a step.
This is Boots' incredibly shitty tankie-adjacent foreign policy views on Maduro/Venezuela actually being the US's fault coming home to roost domestically, unfortunately. The idea that anything but a gigantic nationwide rout of Bernie in the election is happening is conspiracy theory nonsense.
As a Bernie fan since the start of these threads, the math and momentum don't look good for Bernie. It's over. I am not sure what he can gain by saying in terms of influencing Biden but aside from the 1v1 debate soon, IDK why he'd stay.
Oh I didn't think you did, I just used your post as a jumping off point and agreeing with you that Biden has not done a great job of campaigning or debating thus far. Apologies for the miscommunication.
I think with the quieter, smaller scale of this debate, the candidates could use it to both contrast Bernie's difference from Biden's and where Bernie and Biden agree on progress over Trump. It could be a real come together moment if their egos allow it to happen.
To borrow a line from some here:
If he can't handle Bernie, how's he going to handle the Republican machine this fall? Because Bernie will use kid gloves in comparison to what Trump is going to do.
This is it fam.
I got raked through the coals for supporting Warren and questioning Bernie long before voting in the primaries ever begun.
It was about Bolivia but you know that Kirb :)
Where are all the people defending a brokered convention when Bernie was the perceived frontrunner? Does Joe now believe that the person who gets the most votes should be the nominee? I'm glad if he had this noble change of heart.
Here is the difference: no, me and the rest of the Extended Bernie-Bro-Verse would not be cheering for him for doing something that is completely opposed to everything that he stands for.
And no, it does not matter how we group these outbursts together, because they reveal a pattern. It is indeed that Joe cant take criticism for shit. Fair or percieved unfair, because this question can be dismantled by one minute of normal speak.
No, this was about Maduro. This is from years back.
edit: your brokered convention argument makes absolutely no sense. Winning the convention is about winning a majority of delegates. Biden's on track to do that through winning elections alone.
Warren was my number 2, but if Bernie's strategy was bad, he fucked up, he shouldn't have ran, he can't move the needle, then that says even less for Warren.
It's not a matter of "handling" Bernie, it's about using this time to come together as a party, rather than sow further division.
Lol Biden isn't changing. He was asked point blank on a news show if a M4A bill made it to his desk would he sign it. Instead of blowing it off or saying he won't answer hypotheticals he looked annoyed and said by some miracle if it made it to my desk I'd look at it but I'm not signing anything that destroys my budget. Dude gives zero fuecks about any progressive idea. Hell he had a million times to speak on weed and keeps saying we need "a thorough scientific investigation first". What kind of a shit answer is that? Sounds like shit a conservative may say, not the democratic nominee for president.
Okay?
Bernie didn't win. He lost, legitimately, and by quite a large margin.
You would have a point if Bernie were in the lead, but well... He's not. And it was his primary to win.
I have no issue if Bernie wants to stay in for a few more weeks, and to debate Biden on where the future of the party should go. That's healthy for the party.
However, if he starts releasing attack ads or going after Biden hard in their debate... Well. That really shows his true colors.
When did Joe say otherwise?
And that was when there was a chance someone might not get a majority. That chance is gone now so contested convention isn't even a thing anymore.
Although your first line is chastising, you are right about my attention to politics, dear friend. Living in a deep as hell red state and having few friends and no family members actively engaged in politics will do that to ya. Really the first time I've actively engaged in politics.
I get the negative sound bytes, but what about the positive ones? Or, is it just that the negative ones will always outweigh the positive? Which, I do think is probably true.
Hey, more young people would turn out for a Bernie v Trump election than a Biden v Trump election. The numbers wouldn't be great either way cuz we suck, but considering how close 2016 was, every vote matters.
Could also win over some dudebro libertarian types.
I guess, but 2/3rds of Americans support weed legalization. You almost never get that kind of consensus in this country. It literally makes no sense for Biden not to support it unless he has a personal vendetta against weed or he's trying to protect pharmaceutical interests or something.
I saw this conspiracy theory post on Twitter and can't stop shaking my head.
How can people not know that exit polls are not the same thing as actual votes.
Like how the fuck is this even possible lol.
There isn't going to be one because Biden is going to get an actual majority of the votes.
You're right, Bernie is too pro-gun to ever get into that sort of altercation.
He's kinda idiotic in that he believes that weed is a gateway drug and fully legalizing it is immoral.
Gotcha.
the idea that Joe surged due to his "amazing" debate performance is hilarious
he is literally referencing the 2% discrepancy in the exit polls in the Bolivian election in October. It's not provocative enough to make your point, so you're lying.
Biden is not entitled automatically to the rest of the state's voter's votes. You know that better than anyone else when you argued for the same thing with no one being entitled to Warren's voters.
Biden has yet to make a case for himself in a one-on-one setting. He is not entitled to anything, even if the current trends and results do strongly favor him. There is a general election after this which will be a much harsher environment to him.
What the hell are you talking about. Bernie has the exact same gun plans as Biden: ban on semiautomatic weapons. Did anything change from this campaign's policies?
Again, if debating Bernie and campaigning against him "sows" division -- an accusation that's never leveled at others -- then he's not really a good candidate. Obama was able to get past the division and the racist Hillary voters and win handily.
It says that Bernies 30% weren't budging. His ceiling is pitiful and I think Warren could have pushed past it. Once he decided to hop in I knew neither one had a chance. And it sucks. Progressives backed the worse progressive candidate.
i'll say this, being a Bernie stan retroactively makes me want to appreciate the noble losers of electoral politics
the people who shot for the moon, got close or didn't, and made things better
as demoralizing and consequential as Bernie's loss is, there's something spiritual about it, too
You know what's equally as hilarious? To assume that anyone gives a shit about debates anymore.
Do we not recall that Clinton completely wiped the floor with Trump in all three debates? That didn't really seem to matter at all.
And again, this does nothing to change the underlying point- Bernie couldn't secure the nomination with a weak field, a lot of momentum at his back, and a 2016 primary that put his name on the map.
Bernie lost this and no one else. That's the takeaway.
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