You know exactly which interaction I was talking about. The one where he said he was full of shit. He was a fucking trumper misrepresenting Biden's stance on the 2nd amendment. Why you have to be so disingenuous?
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Biden could literally do a chicken dance during the entirety of the next debate and still win the primary at this point. Hopefully Bernie doesn't believe that tearing down Biden in the next debate has a chance to change the result. If he wants to ask Biden questions about his platform and try to pull him toward his, fine, but this idea that there's any chance in hell Bernie can win this primary left is fantasy.
It's because most of these posters were staying out of the thread before SC.
Lol, I don't know of any Hillary supporters here that blame sanders for her loss. What are you talking about?
And I am leaving (unwatching) it now. It's too much... 🙄
The guy he said was full of shit was trying a stupid "you're gonna take all my guns away" right-wing talking point, wasn't he?
I agree. He didn't mention any other states, didn't talk about a path to victory, didn't mention taking it to the convention, nothing. A little stump speech, then he admitted he is losing, and then talked about wanting to talk to Joe at the debate.
I think he's going to bow out after the debate.
I don't think its "crawling out of the woodwork", its just the folks who weren't comfortable with him before are more comfortable speaking up when hes not the frontrunner.
And I don't think its completely unjustified people are worried hes going to drag this all the way through June... because thats exactly what he did last time.
People are wanting to be quick to shit on Bernie for staying in, being reactionary and all that.
Let Bernie go 1v1 with Biden, there's literally no good reason not to let him.
It's because a lot of us actually agree with Bernie, but recognize he is a bad politician that can't move the needle past his shrinking base. And it's frustrating to see folks not admit that he fucked up. His strategy was bad. He never should have run. Warren should have been THE progressive in this race.
I don't know what you mean by "tearing Biden down", but at this point making Biden look like a weak candidate in the debate is really his only option. He has to show people that he's got weaknesses that will make him a bad choice in the general. Exit polls show that people are voting based on who they think has the best chance of beating Trump. Making the debate about policy is literally the worst strategy Sanders could take. He needs to wreck Biden in the debate and make him look weak. It's his only hope.
Meh, I thought Sanders was dropping today, but there's not much harm if he stays in another week. Provided he doesn't go negative and try and tear down the ultimate winner.
This next week will be consumed by coronavirus. If Biden gets the opportunity to showcase stable leadership, then nothing matters.
This next week will be consumed by coronavirus. If Biden gets the opportunity to showcase stable leadership, then nothing matters.
If we assume that only Trumpers are worried for the second amendment and Biden should not hold his temper while he explains the details about what he will do (which is simply: a ban on semi-assault weapons, hopefully), then Biden will be in trouble in the generals.
Yeah the idea that Bernie staying in a bit longer is some blow to Biden is so bizzare (unless you think he's that poor of a candidate). If Biden can't hold up against some scrutiny from his own side he'll get eaten alive by the GOP machine later.
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...but Bernie has no hope at this point. He's not going to win.
So trying to hurt Biden in such a way now only serves to harm us for the general.
Joe Biden tells activist, 'You should vote for Trump,' over criticism of Obama deportations
At a town hall, 2020 candidate Joe Biden told an attendee that he would not put an end to all deportations, prompting protest.
www.usatoday.com
Google is great. You have a really bad record of poorly deflecting arguments. Just letting you know.
Biden's never had a good debate this whole cycle. He's fumbled them at best. What's to make this one after he already won any different? There isn't a chance in hell Bernie wins this no matter what happens on Sunday, and I think, from his speech, that he knows that.
Joe Biden tells activist, 'You should vote for Trump,' over criticism of Obama deportations
At a town hall, 2020 candidate Joe Biden told an attendee that he would not put an end to all deportations, prompting protest.www.usatoday.com
Google is great. You have a really bad record of poorly deflecting arguments. Just letting you know.
We're talking about separate incidents.
It's just an unnecessary risk for Biden. At best he "wins" the debate and mops the floor with Bernie when the voting happens.
At worst he "loses" the debate and still mops the floor with Bernie. And now we have clips of him losing the debate leading up to November.
Not sure you're appreciating the dire position Bernie is in. There's no realistic chance anything Biden does it doesn't do changes the result at this point. Biden is leading by like 30 points going forward. Even if Bernie had the exact same trajectory as Biden since SC it wouldn't be enough.
I mean, that's not convincing.
It's not possible.
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That's just after Mississippi. It's worse now. He can't make up that hole.
Bernie Sanders is all but done
It wasn’t just the results on Tuesday. It was the realization that, for the first time, he had no excuse and nothing better to look forward to.
www.politico.com
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Maybe you could back the claim up. Who here says Bernie is the reason Hillary lost?
I mean Biden literally doesn't have the delegates yet, so yes there is hope. Do I think Bernie can win? no, not really. But if Sanders is able to "hurt" Biden in such a way that it hurts us in the general, then that just means Biden is weak and that Trump would have been able to do the same amount of damage to Biden anyways. I don't get the logic of treating Biden with kids gloves. The whole point of a primary is to vet candidates and determine which one would be best in the general.
This is, IMO, the best path towards party unity. Bernie basically acknowledged Joe is going to be the nominee and reiterated priority number one is beating Trump. He's not attempting to damage Joe. He's attempting to pull Joe a little left and ensure he earns the support of his progressive base.
If Bernie were to drop out today and stump as hard as possible for Biden over the next eight months, millions of his supporters still wouldn't vote for Biden. Bernie was right when he said the establishment cannot be satisfied with winning with old people and ignore the issues important to the future of the party.
If all goes well, this advances policy that exit poll after exit poll shows the majority of people support, prevents millions of young voters from staying home in November, and doesn't lead to total disenfranchisement of young people with the party.
If Bernie were to drop out today and stump as hard as possible for Biden over the next eight months, millions of his supporters still wouldn't vote for Biden. Bernie was right when he said the establishment cannot be satisfied with winning with old people and ignore the issues important to the future of the party.
If all goes well, this advances policy that exit poll after exit poll shows the majority of people support, prevents millions of young voters from staying home in November, and doesn't lead to total disenfranchisement of young people with the party.
This^
the fact that people cant see this and are outraged is unreal.
Biden needs to be pushed, forever
Yeah. I'm a hardcore progressive and even I see now that it's over. No need to ruin the chance of defeating Trump by exposing the dude who was chosen to face him.
I just hope that if Biden loses people finally realize running the same game, only with a man isn't a winning strategy. We basically saying! Here is Hillary Clinton only this time it's a old dude! So your woman hating ways should no longer apply!
Bernie wasn't telling Biden what he has to do to win the primary! He was telling him what he has to do to win the general! Now it might just be his opinion, Biden might be able to win without any other input, but that's what Bernie's speech as about.
What other incident are you talking about? I'll wait.
Then you, dear friend, haven't been watching this game for too long.
Every attack in the primary is a potential vector of attack for your opponent in the general.
Those quotes and soundbites are forever and will be weaponized.
Like I said, sticking around to push policy is one thing, a positive one. Sticking around to lash out is an entirely different thing.
people worried Biden can't even stand up to a debate with his own side. it's not exactly a good look.
"what if he says something really stupid and they use it against him"... yeah, what if.
"what if he says something really stupid and they use it against him"... yeah, what if.
You can't just keep your candidate locked in a tower until the general election....
i don't think the risk is prohibitive and i agree with those points
I am just pointing out that people in this thread are using concern for corona as cudgel to get bernie to drop out are not thinking it through
I was talking about the "you're full of shit" incident from like five days ago. Not something from back in January.
I think Bernie can be proud of what he's done though, despite not winning. There's been a definite shift in the conversation and I think he got a lot of people engaged. Not enough to win across the United States but enough to start something. I think his influence will be felt for a long time through the people following in his footsteps.
The one they referred to that happened recently. Being aggressively wrong isn't a good take.
Is there even an upside for Biden doing the debate? Bernie could crush him, and the votes will still go to Biden. All the debate could do is make Biden look weaker in the November election.
Exactly, though. Biden hasn't performed well in the debates. He was far from frontrunner for most of the primary once voting actually started. Has he ACTUALLY campaigned better than Bernie? Bernie isn't perfect, but it seems as though Biden's campaign wasn't hot shit until AFTER the moderates dropped out and tossed their hats in with him just in time for Super Tuesday. That, coupled with the base's fear of another 4 years of Trump and seemingly thinking Biden is the "safe" candidate.
All lends not to Biden actually putting in the quality work to campaign and debate and make the argument, for himself, that he is the best candidate for the job.
Look, if Biden is the nom (which it looks like he will be) I'll be voting for him 100%. I'm not a Bernie or Buster, never have been, and I think that is a terrible stance to take as a voter if you are. But I defintiely do not think Biden actually campaigned or debated better than Bernie to get here. So let Bernie stay in and debate him.
If Bernie wrecks him in the debate, maybe Biden ISN'T the strongest candidate to take on Trump in 2020 afterall.
If by locked in a tower you mean running around the country campaigning before the debates leading up to the election...
There has to be a way to change this. Private insurance is a scourge, regardless of whether universal healthcare exists or not.
Using exit polls like this is peak twitter nonsense. Ignore them.
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