Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)

Ecotic · Mar 10, 2020

I'm feeling increasingly optimistic about the general election. Democratic turnout is up and Biden is a likeable old man that the over-45 crowd thinks is with them culturally and won't screw them.

The only question in every general election now is if Democrats will show up, because there's more of them. Turnout was just weak enough for Hillary to lose the electoral college. Turnout so far indicates Democrats will show up.

Ziltoidia 9 · Mar 10, 2020

Brinbe said:
Yang on CNN completely nailed it 100000%

It's almost like the idea of Biden being the most electable was false.

Richiek · Mar 10, 2020

Ithil said:
You really want to enact progressive change? Biden will be a rubber stamp for whatever a Dem congress passes if the Senate flips. So get Biden in, Trump out, and get progressives in congress, and Republicans out. Very simple, just requires more than tweets to help out.

This. Sanders supporters need to get this into their heads and stop thinking it's the end of the world just because their guy isn't in the White House.

SpillYerBeans · Mar 10, 2020

Another election season ending up being disappointed. You will have my vote Joe and I wish you well.

PlanetSmasher · Mar 10, 2020

UnapologeticallyBLK said:
...or their State House and State Senate.

...or on their City Council.

Exactly. There are so many ways to build a progressive base of power. Why does it always have to JUST be Bernie and no one else?

Prodigal Son · Mar 10, 2020

Maxim726x said:
Apparently, it's hard. Because you're wrong, so....

Tell, me how large is the AA vote in IA and NV? Surely this isn't hard.

Just read the data. It's all there.

If the smallness of the AA vote in the first two states don't matter to you, why doesn't the substantial AA vote in Nevada count? Why hasn't national AA polling mattered to you. Sanders wasn't just competitive, he was outright winning in that polling for much of the race until Biden ascended. What changed?

Alligatorjandro said:
People just want things to go back to the old days.

exit polling literally says thats not what they want. they want to beat trump more than they want change though

Wilsongt · Mar 10, 2020

Ecotic said:
I'm feeling increasingly optimistic about the general election. Democratic turnout is up and Biden is a likeable old man that the over-45 crowd thinks is with them culturally and won't screw them.

The only question in every general election now is if Democrats will show up, because there's more of them. Turnout was just weak enough for Hillary to lose the electoral college. Turnout so far indicates Democrats will show up.

Democrats will show up.
Election security is the next hurdle as well as Republican fuckery.

Also, as a side note, for everyone saying they are going to sit out voting because their guy isn't at the top of the ticket... there are still very important down ticket votes to consider. A lot more change occurs at the local level verses the federal level.

The Adder · Mar 10, 2020

hydrophilic attack said:
did you see those lines?

The same lines everyone, young and old, have to deal with? Voter suppression cuts across racial and economic lines. They don't target "young" districts.

Certain places (Texas) certainly remove methods of identification unique (or nearly unique) to young folks, but once again, that's putting them on even footing with everyone else. And everyone else manages to vote.

Mona · Mar 10, 2020

KHarvey16 said:
Ok, so hang on. The youth vote is historically terrible and now it's terrible again but this time it's only due to voter suppression? Based on what information?

parents wont let them drive the car

AndrewDean84 · Mar 10, 2020

Illusion said:
Bernie being crushed in my State of Michigan just makes me lose faith in my State. And there was nothing even left to begin with.

I wonder if ill even be motivated when November comes along.

oh lord.

Deleted member 17092 · Mar 10, 2020

I do have a small amount of concern that some of this Biden support is Republicans voting in open primaries. I had a colleague say that's what they did.

newmoneytrash · Mar 10, 2020

i was never a part of the elizabeth warren is a snake contingent but it's hard not to be now

ty_hot · Mar 10, 2020

I am laughing at the people saying that 'well well, we have Biden for now but in 2024 we will have a progressive candidate!'

If Biden loses the election the Dems will just find something to blame for the next 4 years and then will work to put another guy from the Establishment's intestines to be the candidate, using the Red Scare if some progressive comes even close to winning...

Also laughing at Warren being the possible VP lol. The next VP is likely going to be the next candidate in 2024 and threre is just no way the Dems would want Warren up there!

The USA should get a medal for it's 2 party system, what a joke this is. It makes me happy that we have 33 in Brazil lol

The Adder · Mar 10, 2020

Prodigal Son said:
What changed?

He got his shit mixed in South Carolina and it became apparent his victories were built on sand.

Maxim726x · Mar 10, 2020

Prodigal Son said:
If the smallness of the AA vote in the first two states don't matter to you, why doesn't the substantial AA vote in Nevada count? Why hasn't national AA polling mattered to you. Sanders wasn't just competitive, he was outright winning in that polling for much of the race until Biden ascended. What changed?

The geography.

The south decides the Democratic nominee. Always.

And clearly, Bernie's support was tentative. All it took was a major victory in a state like SC to change the entire race. Or are you going to argue that the establishment colluded to end Bernie's ascension?

Clowns · Mar 10, 2020

Maxim726x said:
Apparently, it's hard. Because you're wrong, so....

Tell, me how large is the AA vote in IA and NV? Surely this isn't hard.

Just read the data. It's all there.

CNN's exit poll had NV at 11% AA.
We're not IA/NH.

Pwnz · Mar 10, 2020

gcwy said:
I'm seriously considering moving to a different country. No way I'm here for another 4 years of Trump.

And you think Trump is going to win because your preferred candidate didn't win the primary?

So the 30+% turnout vs 2016 doesnt matter? The economy being shit doesnt matter? Every election after 2016 being very favorable to Democrats doesnt matter?

Okay

schuelma · Mar 10, 2020

ZOONAMI said:
I do have a small amount of concern that some of this Biden support is Republicans voting in open primaries. I had a colleague say that's what they did.

anecdotal, but all the republican friends I know in Michigan we're voting Bernie to try and sabotage the results

TwoDelay · Mar 10, 2020

Man this sucks but we'll eventually win this fight, i'm sure of it.

hydrophilic attack · Mar 10, 2020

mugurumakensei said:
again that's the line for same day registration and this is the first time it's been allowed and early voting was open since January 25th. Surprise, there aren't an infinite number of volunteers.

in my view, voter registration not being automatic is a form of voter suppression

in my country it's automatic, and around 85% of voters aged 18–22 voted last election

Brinbe · Mar 10, 2020

bernie isn't even speaking tonight. he's done.

i hope they don't go scorched earth if they stay in till the end.

Fat4all · Mar 10, 2020

ZOONAMI said:
I do have a small amount of concern that some of this Biden support is Republicans voting in open primaries. I had a colleague say that's what they did.

there's no way enough of this was done in enough number to effect anything

also, this kind of boogeyman story popped up around SC, but for Bernie instead of Biden

its a nothingness

MegaBeefBowl · Mar 10, 2020

mugurumakensei said:
man must be some busy schedule to not be able to spare an hour in 2 months and somehow 30+ year olds don't have busy schedules

First, people over the age of 44, which from polling I've seen is the divide here, have less busy schedules. Obviously.
Second, "it must be hard to spare 2 hours to get an ID to vote"

Zornack said:
So yes, you think there are more systemic and political forces stopping young people from voting than people of color?

There are systemic and political forces stopping poor people from voting. Young people and POC fall under this most.

I'm sure your clap back is black people turning out for Biden? What is the age demo on those voters?

KHarvey16 · Mar 10, 2020

Cipherr said:
Exactly... wtf? No. Youth need to get out and vote more PERIOD. It's always been bad. And yes voter suppression is terrible. But on top of working to end voter suppression we flat out need more young voters to get out there and vote. No way will I cede that absolutely VALID CRITICISM just because voter suppression happens. It happens to my demographic too, and we are still damn responsible for making sure we get there to vote.

Its possible to be critical of voter suppression techniques while also holding people to their civic responsibility. Pretending that it isn't is some grade A BS.

Yup. The voter suppression efforts we all know republicans prioritize need to go. But using them as an excuse in this case, suggesting they apply disproportionately without any evidence, as the reason youth turnout is down as a proportion of the electorate casting votes doesn't make any sense and actually ignores the problem. The same mistake will just get repeated.

Mona said:
parents wont let them drive the car

Lol

Prodigal Son · Mar 10, 2020

Maxim726x said:
The geography.

The south decides the Democratic nominee. Always.

And clearly, Bernie's support was tentative. All it took was a major victory in a state like SC to change the entire race. Or are you going to argue that the establishment colluded to end Bernie's ascension?

i mean i dont disagree with any of this save for what you might say about 'the establishment.'. i thought you were going to say something different and was so ready for you lol. ight godspeed

Deleted member 7462 · Mar 10, 2020

ty_hot said:
The USA should get a medal for it's 2 party system, what a joke this is. It makes me happy that we have 33 in Brazil lol

Yes, because the voter base in Brazil is doing such a bang-up job of electing presidents lately!

Hiphopopotamus · Mar 10, 2020

Prodigal Son said:
anyway its promising that young people liked bernard overwhelmingly. its promising that socialism and singlepayer are polling so well. maybe we can actually build on a leftward movement in 10-20 years when age demographics shift around a little.

With medical advancement, that's about 20 years until there is a full turn-over of the demographics, but we still have GenX to contend with. Luckily they're relatively small compared to Millennials and Zoomers who really should get out and fucking vote.

EVERY.GODDAM.TIME

PlanetSmasher · Mar 10, 2020

newmoneytrash said:
i was never a part of the elizabeth warren is a snake contingent but it's hard not to be now

Because...people don't want to vote for Bernie? Why is that Warren's fault?

Soul Skater · Mar 10, 2020

ZOONAMI said:
I do have a small amount of concern that some of this Biden support is Republicans voting in open primaries. I had a colleague say that's what they did.

It isn't. Basically nobody actually does this. Not in any real numbers to effect anything. There were some people who claimed to vote for sanders in SC to add to "chaos" or something.

Xx 720 · Mar 10, 2020

I think Biden is going to trounce Trump in November - gauging by the turnout in the primaries and the probably corona recession.

Toxi · Mar 10, 2020

Maxim726x said:
The geography.

The south decides the Democratic nominee. Always.

And clearly, Bernie's support was tentative. All it took was a major victory in a state like SC to change the entire race. Or are you going to argue that the establishment colluded to end Bernie's ascension?

Michigan ain't in the South.

Jarmel · Mar 10, 2020

Voter suppression is a serious and major issue facing many low income communities where parents are working and/or can't get transportation or time to go out and vote. Not to mention just registering or lacking the proper IDs.

Voter suppression is not a major issue on a college campus where kids can walk up and vote days in advance and are constantly hassled for weeks by volunteers on campus to vote in between college classes. The kids also have access to buses that can take them to other voting sites if they live off campus.

Maxim726x · Mar 10, 2020

Prodigal Son said:
i mean i dont disagree with any of this save for what you might say about 'the establishment.'. i thought you were going to say something different and was so ready for you lol. ight godspeed

Now I'm curious. What were you preparing for?

Prodigal Son · Mar 10, 2020

Hiphopopotamus said:
With medical advancement, that's about 20 years until there is a full turn-over of the demographics, but we still have GenX to contend with. Luckily they're relatively small compared to Millennials and Zoomers who really should get out and fucking vote.

EVERY.GODDAM.TIME

oh yeah i forgot people were gonna live a longass time now. Probably longer than we think even. That's good but.. ugh

Maxim726x said:
Now I'm curious. What were you preparing for?

i didn't expect you to acknowledge that sanders' and biden's support was tentative. there are people who argue it would have inevitably gone this way independent of the moderate vote consolidation, clyburn endorsment, SC results etc

Deleted member 5666 · Mar 10, 2020

newmoneytrash said:
i was never a part of the elizabeth warren is a snake contingent but it's hard not to be now

uh....she had nothing to do with why Bernie lost. None. Zero. All her votes added to Bernie wouldn't have changed a single outcome.

KHarvey16 · Mar 10, 2020

hydrophilic attack said:
in my view, voter registration not being automatic is a form of voter suppression

in my country it's automatic, and around 85% of voters aged 18–22 voted last election

Explain how it applies to youth voters disproportionately, and what data you're using to draw a distinction between low youth turnout in all other elections and this one.

MHWilliams · Mar 10, 2020

Doukou said:
It doesn't talk about where parentless children will be held espically on an influx like 2014 nor does supporting alternatives mean halting/changing current operations

Which was the part before that, but if you're not going to read that, there's not much I can do on that point.

You can profess skepticism that he'll actually enact those policies, but stating that he hasn't put forth policies to address it is largely nonsense and I have little time to try to argue otherwise. Carry on. Not really worth my time.

ostrichKing · Mar 10, 2020

schuelma said:
anecdotal, but all the republican friends I know in Michigan we're voting Bernie to try and sabotage the results

Anecdotal...I know a lot of right leaning "independents" from where I grew up who voted Biden and will vote for him in the fall...there are a lot of people in the middle who fucking hate Trump and are dying to have an option on the left they could throw their support at...

TraderPoe · Mar 10, 2020

I feel like we just voted in democratic trump

Wilf Netherton · Mar 10, 2020

I think Biden will accomplish literally nothing as President except nominate a few judges that won't ruffle any feathers at Citibank.

Wilsongt · Mar 10, 2020

When people say "I'm not voting if it's not X is not the nominee"' are also saying "fuck down ticket elections" which are arguable more important than president.

Maxim726x · Mar 10, 2020

Toxi said:
Michigan ain't in the South.

He never needed Michigan to win the party nomination.

Now, I think the results tonight are *extremely* important for the GE. I haven't felt so confident about Biden since the beginning of the race.

Sign My Guestbook! · Mar 10, 2020

Wilf Netherton said:
I think Biden will accomplish literally nothing as President except nominate a few judges that won't ruffle any feathers at Citibank.

it can not be overstated how important this actually is

KHarvey16 · Mar 10, 2020

Wilf Netherton said:
I think Biden will accomplish literally nothing as President except nominate a few judges that won't ruffle any feathers at Citibank.

Which means you necessarily believe no democratic president could accomplish anything beyond that too.

dingobingo · Mar 10, 2020

Trey said:
Basically Obama's plan circa 2014. Free two year trade schools and community colleges. Double Pell Grant. Freeze loan interest and repayment on all income less than 25k, with 5 percent of discretionary income due to be paid back to loans. Up to 50k loan forgiveness for public servants.

horse shit! At least some get benefits. Doing graduite school now and fk me it's expensiv. Not taking a loan

Doukou · Mar 10, 2020

MHWilliams said:
Which was the part before that, but if you're not going to read that, there's not much I can do on that point.

You can profess skepticism that he'll actually enact those policies, but stating that he hasn't put forth policies to address it is largely nonsense and I have little time to try to argue otherwise. Carry on. Not really worth my time.

Tell me where in Biden's policies does it say where parentless children will be held.

Ithil · Mar 10, 2020

Wilf Netherton said:
I think Biden will accomplish literally nothing as President except nominate a few judges that won't ruffle any feathers at Citibank.

This "everyone will literally sit on their hands and do nothing" thing is cartoonish at best.

MegaBeefBowl · Mar 10, 2020

Jarmel said:
Voter suppression is a serious and major issue facing many low income communities where parents are working and/or can't get transportation or time to go out and vote. Not to mention just registering.

Voter suppression is not a major issue on a college campus where kids can walk up and vote days in advance and are constantly hassled by volunteers on campus to vote in between college classes.

Is the vast majority of eligible young voters even attending college? Isn't enrollment for young adults in America like 40% for 18-24 Y/O?

Fat4all · Mar 10, 2020

from Politico:

In Boone County (U of Missouri), Bernie and Biden are essentially tied, 45.9%-45.4%.

In 2016, Boone County was one of Bernie's strongest counties in the state – he won 60.6%-38.7%.

Yerffej · Mar 10, 2020

TraderPoe said:
I feel like we just voted in democratic trump

I feel like this is an exaggeration. Now if it was Bloomberg...

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