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gcwy

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fuck this country dude. This was our last chance. Here's to more deportations, more people dying because of no health care, more people drowning in debt, more racial injustices being ignored, more wars killing brown people in other countries. But at least white liberals will be happy. My disdain for whites, specifically white people who pretend to be allies grows everyday.
 
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I got banned from Sanders For President for asking why he thought it was a good idea not to visit Selma lol.
 

Chubnasty

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This topic made me realize that maybe I'm not a Democrat. Up until 2015 I thought I was a Republican. From 2015 till this primary I thought I was a Democrat.

I'm neither. I think I'm just going to do what I always should have - not be married to a party but instead support policy. If someone doesn't share the same policy beliefs as me, regardless of party, I cannot support them.

And don't come at me that not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. I held my nose in 2016 but I'm tired of teams.
 

Zed

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RedMercury

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The worry about that moment is that Biden gift wrapped an attack ad for the Trump war room. People agree with Biden, but backing Beto's "Hell yeah I'm taking your AR-15" and this physical threat to "an all American working class union member" is going to be a bad look to the undecided voters on the fence.
I guess, but like if that is what is gonna sink him against our own attack ads that can clearly point out Trump admitting sexual assault, being impeached, getting rid of the pandemic response team, and a whole host of other things then I dunno dude
 

Rodderick

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Oct 25, 2017
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How are you not being met halfway? Have you seen Bidens positions? A lot of them would have seemed revolutionary 10 years ago. Bernie has dragged the party left, which is awesome. His candidacy has had a dramatic effect on the left and that impact is historic. Meeting you halfway is meeting you on policy, not giving you the nomination when you don't have the votes.

Some of those policies for the record. On just a few of the major issues:

Child Care: Biden is for universal free Pre-K for kids who are 3-4.

Education: Biden is for two free years of community college or technical schooling. He also supports doubling the maximum value of Pell Grants and a student loan forgiveness program which will make it so you don't have to pay anything back on student loans if you are making under 25,000 a year. He also proposes a cap on the maximum amount annually at 5% of your income over 25,000 a year with full forgiveness after 20 years. So if you make 50,000 a year, only 5% of 25,000 is your maximum yearly contribution. That's 1,250 a year. He is also for using federal funds to even out the funding for all schools so that those in higher property tax areas don't receive more resources.

Environment: Ensure the U.S. achieves a 100% clean energy economy and reaches net-zero emissions no later than 2050 . He plans to do this by focusing on wind and solar energy.

Guns: He supports universal background checks, a gun buyback program, and an assault weapon ban.

Immigration: Supports DACA and DAGA path to citizenship. Wants to end workplace raids. Plans to increase worker VISAs. Restore the asylum system and end family separation. End for profit detention centers.

Reparations: Is open to it and has promised to have a committee to look into how this could be applied.

Minimum Wage: Supports a $15.00 an hour minimum wage

Family Leave: Supports 12 weeks of paid family leave

Sick Leave: Supports universal paid sick leave, though details on how much are scarce

Iran: Will rejoin the Iran Nuclear deal

Israel/Palestine: Will support a two state solution

Criminal Justice Reform: Believes nobody should be jailed for drug use alone, wants users to be sent for treatment if anything. Eliminate mandatory minimums. Eliminate the death penalty. Eliminate cash bail. A full end to private prisons. Guaranteed housing for those leaving prison. Supports full restoration of voting rights upon release.

Marijuana: Complete decriminalization and wants to release and expunge the record of anyone in jail for it now. True legalization to be left to the states.

Internet Access: Wants to invest 20 billion in funding to expand rural broadband access.

Statehood: Is for making both Washington DC and Puerto Rico States.

LGBTQ Issues: Supports Gay marriage, the Equality Act, and Transgender military service

Health Care: Ensure a public option is created which covers primary care without co-payments. Make sure those who would qualify for medicaid if their state would only expand coverage are offered premium free coverage on the public option. Plans to offer premium tax credits which will significantly lower costs for those who have insurance they would keep. Make in-network/out of network determined solely by location and not the doctor you see to avoid surprise billing. Repeal the law stopping medicare from negotiating drug prices. Allow consumers to import drugs from out of the country, stopping the current issue where often drugs are far more expensive in the US. Protect abortion rights. Restore federal funding to Planned Parenthood.

Basically a Republican.
 

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Will Biden do anything about the children camps? He'll change the immigration policies about sepration but I don't think he said anything about improving the children facilities to a livable standard

Hopefully. However, he didn't do anything when these camps and immigration policies existed under Obama, but hopefully he will be better about it now.
 

Toxi

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Oct 27, 2017
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The worry about that moment is that Biden gift wrapped an attack ad for the Trump war room. People agree with Biden, but backing Beto's "Hell yeah I'm taking your AR-15" and this physical threat to "an all American working class union member" is going to be a bad look to the undecided voters on the fence.
The worry comes across as completely disingenuous when you supported a self-described Socialist and showed no willingness to compromise on any other left-wing position in the name of "electability".
 

MegaBeefBowl

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Oct 31, 2017
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Standing in line is hard
This is kind of a disgusting take.

It is hard for a lot of people. People work long hours at bad jobs. People have kids they can't afford to have looked after. People don't have means of transportation to get to a polling station because its miles away.

Denial of voter suppression is some shitty stuff. Regardless of who you support. It's built into our electoral system and has been benefiting the Republican for decades. Next tell me how voter ID laws aren't bad.
 

TooBusyLookinGud

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Oct 27, 2017
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Fuck this country dude. This was our last chance. Here's to more deportations, more people dying because of no health care, more people drowning in debt, more racial injustices being ignored, more wars killing brown people in other countries. But at least white liberals will be happy. My disdain for whites, specifically white people who pretend to be allies grows everyday.
This is rough man.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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This has nothing to do with Bernie, it's the fact that we have a system that is fundamentally broken. From gun policy to healthcare, there's a gridlocked system that leads to everything being nearly impossible to change. The only time anything gets passed is when it has to do with war. The political system has flaws nearly impossible to fix until seemingly everyone over 55 in Congress gets defeated, resigns, or dies. Even Bernie winning wouldn't have helped much. So far every state has stated their support for Medicare for all, every state, yet I guarantee not ever senator from those states would vote for it, let alone the fact that our candidate said he'd veto it. I thought the point of these guys was to listen to us and do what we wanted, it's all a big ass farce.

The world needs some people to not give up on it, I plan on being one of them.
 

Azzanadra

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I mean, he wasn't. You act like AOC and Ayanna Pressley don't exist. Like the whole party didn't get dragged to the left, like there aren't a bunch of voters willing to vote for more progressive politics. If anything, there's more hope for it now than ever before. There's literally a bunch of people willing to fight for that stuff, they just need a better standard bearer. If Bernie wasn't the guy, we find the next one.

Seeing how Ilhan got treated the moment she bucked the liberal hegemony, I have a feeling those two will get the same treatment as Bernie when they're in the same place as he is.
 

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I DON'T FUCKING KNOW, BECAUSE THE MAN IS NOT WELL AND HE SHOULDN'T BE PRESIDENT.

The other guy just went on Fox News and did this! Young people and independents like him! WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE EVEN DOING.

Young people and independents can vote in (most wrt independents) primaries and they didn't show up for him in large enough numbers. Relying on young people is a terrible strategy for American elections
 

Ithil

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i feel Abrams is the more likely out of these two so that Kamala stays a senator(same reason I don't see Warren)
Kamala is from California, as safe a seat as you can get (2018 Senate election general ended up being two Democrats). While Massachusetts is a blue state, they have been known to throw curveballs and do like their "moderate" Republican now and again, especially for governor, which specifically got us burned in 2010. No problem with California, and furthermore Kamala would be well poised to run for president again vastly stronger in either 2024 or 2028, while Warren is going to be too old by then (yes, Bernie/Biden, but they're too old too).
 

Prodigal Son

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Oct 27, 2017
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The Washington Post isn't immune to shoddy journalistic practices.

That "article" still doesn't say what you think it does.

There's no factual proof that the Biden's campaign made a concerted effort to hide him.
'what i think' the article does it show you a mainstream outlet (of many) talking about the obvious perception that Biden's campaign is one of limited exposure. this was widely discussed and accepted last year before it was weaponized by the right more recently. As soon as the right weaponized it, people like you called it a conspiracy and started pilling on posters here who acknowledged the very obvious, reasonable strategy by the campaign.

All I'm asking is that you stop acting like its some pizza-gate shit to say that the campaign would rather see him ride along on name recognition than increase the odds he's hurt by a gaffe. that shouldn't be the least bit controversial to someone who isn't a reactionary.
 

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