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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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People are delusional.
How anyone can think this at this point is insane. There is ZERO empirical evidence that Bernie would have beaten Trump or that his chances were better than Biden's. He's getting beaten like a drum.
Can you really blame them based on how Sanders and Leftists are being talked about in this very thread? Ever since ST this thread has been mocking and kicking down those of us who dreamed of a better world, don't be surprised if people are turned off the Democratic party because of it.
Polling says otherwise. And Hillary barely lost, and Biden is far more popular...
So WTF are you talking about?
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tbh i think sanders does oppose capitalism. there's a difference between how you might package ideas (hey hey we like Scandinavia dont we folks) and the reality of your belief. Also there's a difference between what someone might want if they could wave a magic want (complete end of capitalism) and what he can feasibly call for in the congress (modest welfare provision).
there's no real reason to believe he's radically changed his views he held before when he explicitly said he's against capitalism. he's just much better at presenting his ideology to an audience. i really do think he's a socialist
Why are people so obsessed with the debates? They didn't mean shit for the eventual outcome when Hillary demolished Trump at three of them.
I like Bernie's positions. He's got great ideas. I enjoyed seeing him over the years on Bill Maher and shows of that nature. But he's a loser. He can't win in a general, he can't win in a primary. He has a hard ceiling of supporters and no one else wants him to be the president. I'm sorry that it hurts, but it's the stone cold truth.
You're literally advising a small rump of militant socialists try to take everyone else hostage unless you get your way 100% of the time.
You can't be for real
Fair enough, my point still stands though. Joe Biden is a disaster of a candidate and I do not think that he can beat Trump. I'll vote for him, but that doesn't mean he'll win. And when that happens, people are going to be INSUFFERABLE.
I'm absolutely rooting for the team, but I'm not gonna give the thumbs up and pretend it's all good when Biden does something I'd expect from Trump, or brush his past transgressions under the rug and pretend they never happened. I thought that was the difference between the cult Trump turned the Republican party into and the rest of the country.
yes because that literally is the job of congress and when congress passes bills the president generally obeys. The VP might be used to grease the wheels since they are a tie breaker vote for the senate but that's about where it ends.
If he actually had the support he needed from the party in the General he absolutely could. Bernie got as far as he did fighting an incredibly stacked deck against him. The Democrats are so terrified of some mild socalism they are going to fail to stop actual facism.
Jesus, stop taking this so personally. It's becoming crystal clear that Bernie is not a candidate the party sees as a leader, not a wholesale rejection of progressive ideals.
Insufferable...as opposed to people when Bernie loses the primary?
I love Bernie and voted for him in Michigan but at this point it's obvious Biden has more supporters and a better chance to defeat Trump.
Biden didn't beat trump yet, could we get him in there first?
bernie didn't lose by a little he lost by a lot. You can't blame the voters after last week. They don't want to put forth a person who has no chance in the places it matters most.
So at this rate we're what, 20 years away from the electorate getting to an age where an actual liberal progressive can be elected?
time for Biden to tap yang as vp since he's more left, younger, and a minority.
diamond joe/yang gang 2020
diamond joe/yang gang 2020
The problem is that almost every message from Bernie supporters here in regards to Biden either starts with..
1. Dementia
2. Billionares Won
3. Hes a Conservative
4. Rigged Primary
5. Warren is a snake..
etc etc
Thats the jumping off point for a lot of the conversation with Sanders supporters here. Thats what people end up responding to.
Sanders is underperfomring. His 2020 numbers are worse than 2016, he doesn't have a Hillary to hate on anymore. But but he is persisting to repeating the convention bullshit like 4 years ago.
Sanders should drop out. If not, the Biden camp needs to go nuclear with Fidel Casto attack ads in Florida and nuke Bernie into non-viability in the Sunshine
Sanders should drop out. If not, the Biden camp needs to go nuclear with Fidel Casto attack ads in Florida and nuke Bernie into non-viability in the Sunshine
Exactly.
Bernie has a ceiling. I happened to be a part of that ceiling, but the man needed to outgrow voters like me. Young bucks that don't give a shit about capitalism. He refused to grow his base, he refused to change, his consistency is a great asset but also his greatest weakness. Like, Obama was THE MOST popular Democratic President in living history. He put states back on the map we'd been missing for decades. And yet, Bernie is out there trying to pretend that didn't happen and even attacking his work. How do you think that plays with the rest of the voters that liked Obama?
He needed to show he was ready to lead the Party, to be the frontrunner, to grow his base and he failed to do it. The results are what we see. I'm bummed as hell, but it's a bed he made.
Younger millenials definitely disappointed, but the older ones sit between 30 and 39. The 30-45 bracket actually had decent turnout increases (even beating the 45-64 bracket in some states!) across the board across all the early and Super Tuesday states iirc.
The question is about Sanders and Trump both targeting him over the exchange. The reporter asks
The Sanders campaign and the Trump campaign are both targeting you over this exchange ... any regrets about how you handled it?"
People are underestimating how badly Hillary was hated. Biden is going to pick up a lot of support in the general because of him not being Hilary.
The issues are going to be how he's been white washed by the liberal media. From him talking about cutting social security to the crime bill to his disgusting treatment Anita Hill to his back a fourth on abortion's going to be weaponized by the media on the right. Also Hunter's going to be a total clusterfuck from corruption, to being with his dead brother's wife, to him ditching her for a younger women, to the drugs.
There's a real issue of dem voters being demotivated going forward. Also it's fucking awful morally but the DNC don't give a fuck about morals so they should probably keep him from debating anybody.
The issues are going to be how he's been white washed by the liberal media. From him talking about cutting social security to the crime bill to his disgusting treatment Anita Hill to his back a fourth on abortion's going to be weaponized by the media on the right. Also Hunter's going to be a total clusterfuck from corruption, to being with his dead brother's wife, to him ditching her for a younger women, to the drugs.
There's a real issue of dem voters being demotivated going forward. Also it's fucking awful morally but the DNC don't give a fuck about morals so they should probably keep him from debating anybody.
Biden would represent the most progressive platform to reach the white house ever. That's absolutely not status quo.
What progressive policy does Biden have? What *any* policy does Biden have? I've listened to most of the debates and all he ever said was "I worked with Obama on something like that before".
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