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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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By far, the thing I find most puzzling is the widespread support for M4A while voting Biden. How the hell does that make sense? If healthcare is the most important issue for old people, why are they voting for the candidate that doesn't support what they claim to?
The "establishment" did nothing for Biden for months to be nothing. Once he won SC things started moving.
With Bullock stepping into the Senate race, this is looking less and less likely. If Biden can get people into his admin who aren't from the Senate, a trifecta is in no way out of the picture
there's always Tulsi
she's never gonna drop, and has at least one delegate
And the results of these tactics are seen as legitimate and then used to reinforce the status quo. Same way black people were 'blamed' for not showing up for Hilary when the GOP has been using its wins during the Obama era to selectively decimate voting ability.
I want you to tell me what part of the question is badly phrased. Right now.
The question is and I quote: "Let's flash forward: You're president, Bernie Sanders is still active in the Senate. He manages to get Medicare For All through the Senate in some compromised version. The Elizabeth Warren version or some other version of it. Nancy Pelosi gets a version through the house of representatives. It comes to your desk. Do you veto it?"
What part of that is badly phrased?
Fuck caring about the party, it's corrupt as fuck and barely less evil than the GoPs. Biden's arguably worse than Hillary on most front but is doing better probably because he's less hated because he's an aggressive man rather than an aggressive woman. They're both reprehensible human beings with long histories of racism, sexism, homophobia, transphobia and classism regardless.
Bernie should drop out because the huge numbers of people that donate to him that need to save the money going forward regardless of if it's Trump or Biden. It might be naivete of me to think he might actually do it.
Though otherwise you really shouldn't demand shit from Bernie after how hard he promoted the transphobic slave user he was running against last time. Of course he'll do the same for Biden even if he does drop out at a later date and it's why he's better than the rest of them.
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The Democrats are about to nominate their most liberal nominee ever, but "American politics fail because my guy didn't win"
I'd add that the primary scheduled...scheduled by the evil "establishment"... was incredibly friendly to Bernie.
Because the worst we can get is Donald Trump. ...Duh?
The woman literally guiding him into the car is the cherry on top.
b/c other issues matter too. people rarely base their vote on a single issue. they mighrt like sanders m4a, but not is view on trade.
There is no reason to hold a debate. Trump WILL NOT debate, regardless of who the nominee is. He will refuse to participate, and his supporters will eat it up.
Are you being serious with this selfish drama BS? You not liking Biden doesn't mean there is no point in voting.
So you've got somewhere to go if Trump wins? Got a plan?
I legitimately would like to know because it might help other people too.
I'm not saying you should be happy, but if you consider yourself to be a Progressive or Leftist - then the only course of action where adhering to those beliefs remains to be true is if you vote Democratic this upcoming November. I'm black, and my ancestors have held their nose and voted for the candidate that they'll fuck them over the least since they've had the rights to. At the end of the day viability matters, and Bernie has unfortunately proven to not be viable. Being on the right side of history doesn't mean a damn thing if we're watching from the sidelines come 2021.
To be perfectly honest Biden is probably right, there's no practical, nevermind political, direct route for the US healthcare system from where it is now to M4A without at least an interim multipayer with public option akin to the Dutch or Irish systems, and even then I think the closest the US will get to M4A is a German style system where there is a clear default public option underpinning the entire system and some private options for those on higher incomes. Going straight from the current clusterfuck to M4A is akin to turning a steam engine into a Tesla.
People vote for people, not policies. Also healthcare isn't the only thing going through people's minds when voting.
Yet another reason why all primaries should be on the same day. This extended nonsense gives way too much weight to a small amount of states. People in the later states don't have choices whatsoever in the primary.
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You'll only get mockery on this forum as you already know given the response from the mod to this post.
Beating Trump matters more. That's the thing. This means actual policies and getting things done is secondary, optional.
And that's precisely why we have Joe Biden as the frontrunner considering everyone else who has ran in this race.
They're nominating a man who has uniquely represented the failure of politics compared to anyone else who competed with him for the Dem ticket. It has nothing to do with "my guy" but that Joe Biden is a bad guy.
Save me the ballooning and justification of a trash man. I should be happy we got the guy with one of the worst climate policies of anybody who ran?
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It's not a failure just because Biden is going to be the nominee
Well I can only hope that next time refers to 4 years after Biden and not Trump.
I've come to terms with the fact that if there is any victory to celebrate its that Sanders was the last of two candidates standing. Maybe whoever picks up the mantle next time will do better. Moving the conversation left as he had should not go to waste.
I hope Biden can actually beat Trump! I really do. He better.
I've come to terms with the fact that if there is any victory to celebrate its that Sanders was the last of two candidates standing. Maybe whoever picks up the mantle next time will do better. Moving the conversation left as he had should not go to waste.
I hope Biden can actually beat Trump! I really do. He better.
Right wing conspiracy theories help nobody besides Trump.
Why are you repeating them?
If Biden is locked in why would the party want to let Bernie take shots at him and potentially lose voters in the general election?
Yeah, he handled the last primary results like a child too, kicked and screamed as long as he could. He's only hurting the party by staying in after tonight.
I would still like to see a 1 on 1 debate before Bernie drops out. The debates with Trump are just going to be a shit show, so this is the only chance for us to have a quiet debate focused on the issues.
What is with some of the takes in this thread. They're not even hot - they're just bad.
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