Claire McCaskill on MSNBC: "I will not be surprised if Joe Biden wins every single state tonight."
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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The first national convention was called by the anti Masonic Party in 1831 :P
Bernie had ample time to actually try to define what socialism means in the 21st century, when espoused by a democratic socialist. The fact that he could not humbly and clearly articulate this to counter the fears of older generation and African Americans, for whom socialism means a different and scary thing - man, smh.
on the other side of this... the lack of the youth and younger turnout that Is the supposed core of Bernies movement - that's not just a Bernie issue... that is a huge f'in Democrat issue that Biden is woefully ill equipped to do anything about. I am shook and scared.
on the other side of this... the lack of the youth and younger turnout that Is the supposed core of Bernies movement - that's not just a Bernie issue... that is a huge f'in Democrat issue that Biden is woefully ill equipped to do anything about. I am shook and scared.
To any younger leftists in here feeling the hit: don't despair. This is what we do. The left loses. For each victory, we take 2, 5, 10 losses. We lose, and we lose, and we lose... and then we win, and when we do win, we change the whole game up.
Look at how much the conversation has shifted from 2016 because of the Bernie campaign, and he lost 2016. The same will happen now. And when you do get in there, and you will, everything will change.
Continue the fight. Unionize. Join your local DSA chapter. Talk to your fucking neighbor and find some class solidarity, for his problems are precisely the same problems that afflict you.
The fight doesn't end, and we will not live long enough to see the full results of our struggle come to fruition. We just have to do our best and add to the pile. It's literally all we can do.
Look at how much the conversation has shifted from 2016 because of the Bernie campaign, and he lost 2016. The same will happen now. And when you do get in there, and you will, everything will change.
Continue the fight. Unionize. Join your local DSA chapter. Talk to your fucking neighbor and find some class solidarity, for his problems are precisely the same problems that afflict you.
The fight doesn't end, and we will not live long enough to see the full results of our struggle come to fruition. We just have to do our best and add to the pile. It's literally all we can do.
I think the path for progressives will be not relying on a small insular audience to win the vote. It will be working on outreach to communities, and molding progressive policies to fit those communities instead of trying to impress people with a one-size fits all approach.
I would be very happy with Bernie if he dropped out tonight. The more time the party has to unite before the general, the better.
Infinitely more people will die and have their liberties stripped if a Democrat doesn't win this November.
How can one not vote because your guy or gal isn't getting the nomination? These are blue voters voting. Their vote matters. Your vote matters. I vote for more than just the POTUS. You have to think local first.
Obviously Bernie should drop out of the race after tonight.. he won't because he doesn't care about the party, but that is the right thing to do.
This also just reiterates that Biden would have crushed Trump in 2016. Hillary lost due to institutional misogyny and an unfair reputation that could not be shaken.
This also just reiterates that Biden would have crushed Trump in 2016. Hillary lost due to institutional misogyny and an unfair reputation that could not be shaken.
Bernie had like universal name rec too, hes basically been campaigning for the last 5 years so I don't think thats why we're looking at what we're looking at right now.
Even if the change we need is akin to an actual revolution. When people hear the word "revolution," they likely become more comfortable with the suffering and misery that comes with being an American today over the fear of the unknown. Change is a more palatable word, though comes with concern from those who know that's always been the marketable word to get little done.
People do love the idea. The public option polls even higher with people though. People mostly want better than what they have.
Bullshit. The question was explicitly about M4A, even a stripped down compromised version of it thanks to Nancy Pelosi. He chose to dodge the question and instead hint that he'd veto it instead.
Pointless to try and shift Biden left. Biden said he'd veto M4A even in the impossible hypothetical that it was passed through the Senate and House. Progressive policy ain't happening in a Biden admin.
The real path is hitting the pavement for progressive candidates in your local elections.
It's certainly an uncomfortable argument, and I'm not saying I necessarily subscribe to it, but it's not without logic.
Bernie has no viable path to the nomination at this point, and polling sites are perfect vectors for the Coronavirus to exploit.
He answered a badly phrased question with a badly phrased non-answer.
right wing peddling
Is it? I don't have confidence that Biden will be able to remember where he is or what year it is by the time the election rolls around.
It helps being propped up last minute endorsements and last minute positive media coverage right before Super Tuesday. Most people are low information voters (even voters in primaries) and vote based on what has recently happened.
once again happy that I live in California and we did our part. 2020 and the best we could do was Joe fucking Biden, unbelievable
That was a dodge by Biden more or less. He's hiding behind a veto if taxes were raised on the middle class to not say that he would sign the bill.
Voters tonight sent a clear message about wanting Biden to be the nominee. Bernie should see the writing on the wall and gracefully bow out.
I know a lot of people here are disappointed, but at the end of the day you need a Democrat as president to sign stuff into law. Without that, you have no hope of any type of progress, however incremental
I know a lot of people here are disappointed, but at the end of the day you need a Democrat as president to sign stuff into law. Without that, you have no hope of any type of progress, however incremental
So you're saying I'm supposed to be happy with friends and family suffering and dying just because other people might die less? Do you really think that's a good way of campaigning for Biden?
'It's okay bro, your family will die but those more fortunate and wealthier than you will live'.
Clyburn said the DNC should step in and stop debates today to protect Joe in the general.
Of course Bernie doesn't care, which is why he got stomped after throwing the democratic establishment under the bus.
He can go back to being an independent.
doesnt matter, you've seen it with this primary.
leftism wont come through electoral politics.
anyone picking up a leftist message will eventually crash with the party.
will be too late by that I think. you even see now most people just want "normal" back.
as long as normal or the return to norms can keep being sold, change won't happen.
This. Plus it's not like it's all in vain. For example, look at how popular m4a is now compared to before the election. Sanders loses but still pushes the party left.
Time for Bernie to throw in the towel so that the party can consolidate and we can face Trump.
Literally the opposite lesson you should take from this!
Biden wins with absolutely zero effort and the establishment dead set on him months before anyone could put in a reasonable fight.
Depressing as fuck. We will get 8 years of middle of the road policy with the majority stonewalled by GOP anyway.
I anticipate no major changes to student debt, medical care, or climate change in the next ten years. Fucking sad.
Depressing as fuck. We will get 8 years of middle of the road policy with the majority stonewalled by GOP anyway.
I anticipate no major changes to student debt, medical care, or climate change in the next ten years. Fucking sad.
Not voting for the Dem nominee at least implies you're indifferent to it. Do your part.
Nah there needs to be one debate to judge how well Biden does one in one, so that voters have the confidence he can handle Trump.
Of course I have no idea what would happen if Biden failed miserably in the debate and voters got freaked out. Can't really replace him.
incredible how right ive been about every single prediction ive ever made in this election. i'm sad as shit but my ego is large
Seems like a good deal of people disagreed with you today.
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If the best we can get from people voting is Joe Biden, what the fuck is the point?
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