Telling it like it is. Certainly going to appeal to some voters. *weeps*
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Telling it like it is. Certainly going to appeal to some voters. *weeps*
People going to trip, but the majority loves that type of energy
This is an even stranger take. You say 8 years of Obama made Republicans like they are today...so Obama's VP will calm them down?
I can only imagine the reaction if Bernie, AOC or Omar were caught saying that shit to white male factory workers. The sky would be falling at CNN/MSNBC and Pelosi would be coming up from behind with piano wire for the Ilhan. The double standards are amazing.
Absolutely. Especially ironic considering Biden's the one that's stronger on guns. Was funny hearing a couple of other workers backing Biden up.
I don't think anyone claims the opposite. The excellent twitter thread posted earlier in this thread about avoidance when it comes to stuttering provided some good insight into why Biden sometimes sounds forgetful and/or unclear though.
Either way, I think it would be good to see both him and Sanders in a 1v1 town hall format as well. The traditional stand-up debates are too antagonistic and theatrical for my taste.
If he can't survive debates with Bernie in the first one on one actual debate of the entire primary season, he won't survive the General. And at the very least he should show up as however minor a branch of good will to the numerous people who voted and continue to vote for Bernie Sanders. If Bernie couldn't survive without the establishment, Biden can't survive without the Bernie people voting for him as well. I couldn't think of a worse way to piss off people already frustrated by Biden's rise than just blatantly refusing to debate him.
In no world should any of us be advocating for Biden to skip the debates. Realistically it's not going to suddenly give Bernie the momentum to come back in this primary, but its important to let this actually play out for a little while longer.
The reality is that no one who Democrats elected this year - Biden, Bernie, Bloomberg, Warren, any of them - would "calm Republicans down."
This is actually a major instance wherein I'm concerned about Biden's ability to govern and lead, because he thinks his personal friendships with R senators will triumph over their strategy of constant obstructionism, but all the same.
The way to beat Trumpism, Republicans and the Right is by continuously beating them at the polls. That's it. Problem is if Bernie's the best person to do that his coalition needs to step it up, and thus far they haven't been doing that. Voter turnout in the primaries has surged but we're seeing Biden as the main beneficiary of that.
lol saying you "support the Second Amendment" is one of the emptiest platitudes any politician makes towards gun rights. Bernie would say he supports the Second Amendment too, no one rips on him for that.
None of the popular gun control policies Democrats have been pushing violate the Second Amendment, the difference is (to my knowledge) Biden has supported all of them throughout his career whereas Bernie has only recently come around on some of them. (and this is where I point out that Bernie moving to the left on this issue is actually a Good Thing, but also flies in the face of the whole "hasn't changed his positions in 40 years" schtick)
All American politicians support the Second Amendment. That doesn't mean no gun control policy, lol.
The Florida Atlantic University poll that has Biden up 61 - 25 over Sanders is depressing as it relates to Trump.
Didn't realize he has almost a 50% favorable rating in that state. Fucking ew.
Beats Biden 51-49 in the general election. 53-47 over Sanders.
Didn't realize he has almost a 50% favorable rating in that state. Fucking ew.
Beats Biden 51-49 in the general election. 53-47 over Sanders.
Yes, he needs to keep on saying this to Trump's face during the debates.
I don't agree. He was approached in a very confrontational manner and he defended his positions. The fact that Biden is white has nothing to do with it.
Old people who don't need new social programs. Gonna be a heavy Trump tilt there. As long as Trump stops saying he'll cut entitlements, lol.
I'm not really disagreeing with any of that and don't agree with the assertion that Obama turned Republicans into what they are today - I'm just pointing out the nonsense that somehow Biden is a clear answer when you're claiming such a thing makes absolutely no sense.
Well yeah they didn't hate the policies so much they hated that it was a black man in charge.
We have a lot of old people, we have a lot of rich people, and we have a lot of old and rich people
It was in response to people claiming voters have nothing left to learn from a 1 on 1 debate.
That's assuming people are rational. They are not. It would move the needle a bit for undecideds but that's about it.
They didn't legitimatized a terrorist org (tea party) over some expended EPA polcies
Exactly. They all jumped behind the most centrist dude they could the moment they saw a small opening, its almost like they didn't really believe the stuff they were spouting. I can understand in the general, if a centrist guy wins, endorse and supporting him/her. But when you have a chance to get the things you supposedly believe in at least taken seriously, and you go the opposite way? Gimme a break. People only like talking about M4A and ensuring everyone has access to health care, or talking about how it'd be nice to help Zoomers/milenials out from under their crushing school debts, or any other progressive policy, when when the shit hits the road and its time to put up or shut up, democrats always fall behind what they think is "safe". Which is usually some boring, do nothing middle of the road guy.
No, they hated not being in charge and used racism to rile up their base. Let's not pretend they were super friendly when Clinton was president. Their goal is power.
Answered this a few times in the thread. 1 on 1 with Bernie will probably open eyes, but by then it could be too late.
That's part of how fucked American politics has become by the political right. Don't get it twisted: I don't even think a Sanders presidency would be one where we see any of his ideas enacted. But I believe the political momentum and desire for what he advocates to be supported by larger and larger people to occur when his ideas get obstructed by the GOP, and how the failure of them being enacted will only enhance support. Gun reform is an example of this, where people want more done as more massacres happen. Nobody tells Obama he sucks ass because gun reform wasn't done when America normalized the murdering of literal children which happened while he occupied the White House. Many people sympathize with him wanting to do something but couldn't, at least on that issue; he's a war criminal for murdering literal children in the Middle East, but he was clear enough he wasn't okay with it happening in American schools. I imagine that would happen with Sanders far, far, far more than Biden. That's because Biden isn't even trying to aim for anything of substance. He's given the show away that better things aren't possible, and that's before the PR talk to obfuscate that.
Biden has nothing that people can look at and say "we gotta fight for this" aside from getting rid of Donald Trump. That's really, really it. That one goal is his the centerpiece of his four year plan in office. In some respects, his vision beyond this is already a compromise, and it's a compromise that probably won't even get anywhere! I don't see that distinction happening with Sanders, and that's partly due to his audience being a large activist crowd. A Sanders administration will likely get nothing major done but at least the ideas are serious enough that people will normalize them in the hopes that they eventually get done. That is foolish if one considers the fact if they're not done, they're not done, but he's already done a great deal of normalizing those sorts of policies within the party already. Biden's vision just...stops the second Donald Trump is removed, and we're effectively told to self-quarantine for four years. There is zero instances of hope for a better tomorrow under Biden, and not even the fake "at least I tried" kind, either.
You cannot calm a party worse than ISIS, and this will be a statement I will stand by until the day I die. It's about trying to keep people engaged on issues, and there's very little argument Biden is even trying to do this besides "BEAT TRUMP." That's the bar.
This is the kind of energy I've been missing from Biden. Hopefully he channels that more.
I kind of want to see a candidate with the cojones to say "Yes, I am here to take your guns away."
Does anyone else worry about how this cursing, shushing, and yelling will come across in the general? It's like an abusive father.
One of the arguments Republicans used was that the Supreme Court was in danger and as a result, abortion, guns were under threat of a liberal court and Republicans held up their noses.
We need to push back, cause abortion, guns, M4A, a conservative court would absolutely wreck those laws.
I know you wanted Bernie, but if you don't vote Democrat in the general, if Trump gets 4 more years, the court is lost for 20 years. Wouldn't matter if we got a congressional sweep 8 years down the line if they strike down the laws nationalizing healthcare. Abortion already is on life support in many conservative states, you don't think the Court isn't gonna cut off the last lifelines for that? And guns....oof.
We need to push back, cause abortion, guns, M4A, a conservative court would absolutely wreck those laws.
I know you wanted Bernie, but if you don't vote Democrat in the general, if Trump gets 4 more years, the court is lost for 20 years. Wouldn't matter if we got a congressional sweep 8 years down the line if they strike down the laws nationalizing healthcare. Abortion already is on life support in many conservative states, you don't think the Court isn't gonna cut off the last lifelines for that? And guns....oof.
Of all the things you could give Joe shit for, picking this one is bizarre. Literally none of the Democrats want to repeal the Second Amendment, they want gun control. He's pushing back against the Republican lie that any kind of gun control is an attack on the Second Amendment. This screams "bubble" more than complaining about Warren saying she's a capitalist.
Also, Bernie is worse on guns.
This looks like a good thing, guaranteed more folks will like it because "he's telling it like it is". Man being a white man in this country is something else, Obama could never straight up tell someone they were full of shit no matter how true it was and how he felt it.
Love it, want some more of it. plz curse at me next uncle joe
I'm not giving him shit for it, I'm pointing out the hypocrisy that if Bernie defensively blurted "I support the Second Amendment" people would be manufacturing it into some kind of issue.
Nah, it's like a guy arguing at a bar. Which.... is not a bad image for the states we need to win, lol.
They wanted to get Obama out over mustard, him doing something like that? They would have dragged him out of the white house
Beto did and it ruined his political career. Luckily he has his father in law's millions to retire on.
I don't know, he shushed a woman twice. It's not a great look.
Don't worry, Biden says he wants to take Beto on as his gun control guy, so his political career isn't over yet.
Eight years the GOP spent saying that Obama was gonna come for your guns.
And did he?
Now here we go with the same line.
Beto did that and it killed his career, but that's because he's from Texas.
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