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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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This is the attitude that led to decreased turnout and Trump, exactly.
I blame non-voters for where we are now, and anyone not voting, in my eyes, is saying that they think Trump and Biden are the same.
Let me help with this-- you are NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING THE PERSON YOU VOTED FOR HAS DONE OR WILL DO. You are picking from a set of (admitedly limited) outcomes and you pick the best of those. Not choosing does not absolve you of blame for the outcome. Not voting is a choice as well.
This is my thinking as well. Malcolm X said:
In 2020 the target is not within our reach. But as you say state and local elections matter, and if you're lucky you have some good options there to cast a vote for. I'm going to be a lot more selective myself moving forward, with voting at all levels of government.
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It's kind of wild to see so many people and cases made that Biden represents everything wrong about politics of the last few decades, and the people who have suffered from that are actually lining up for him.
The return to "normal" y'all. Hope you all like a four year time freeze.
Preach this all you want on conservative sites. Encouraging progressives and liberals to stay home is fucking stupid.
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And I mean literally, guillotine those mf's I dont even care anymore.
Just saw that thread about that video being taken down and if there's anything I find hilarious about this election cycle it's the perception that our staff, made up of incredibly diverse, multinational selection of people, is biased against leftists on the forum. What a knee slapper. I'm not going to get into the political leanings of individual members because that's personal info, but fucking LOL at them acting in bad faith against leftists.
By not voting they're telling everyone their opinion doesn't matter so...no? I mean, even someone just writing down "Mickey Mouse" for the presidential choice as a protest vote is something I can partially respect. Not voting at all? Nah, you clearly don't value your own opinion, so why should I?
For that particular user sure, but non-voters in general? It's a toss up for all parties involved.
At least that user in question is an active voter in some capacity. They admitted to the fact that the will divert their energy to local elections which are often where more immediate and positive changes occur in the event that a good person gets a seat.
There are many more voters however who flat out do nothing and they aren't for Bernie, Ron Paul, Pete, etc.
This also comes back around to another observation-- PAGES back posters were saying that candidates aren't OWED votes they didn't earn in the eyes of a potential voter. The user in question doesn't believe Joe Biden gets his votes because of things Biden actually did.
If your only comeback to this is to say 'But Trump!', than what happens when you are confronted with a similar user in a general election that doesn't involve Donald Trump? What will be the talking point then?
A guy as blatantly dogshit as Trump is a once in a lifetime event.
Trump's 2016 campaign aimed to get Dem voters to stay home while activating racist nonvoters who normally didn't vote. Strategies to do this via targeting algorithms were a big part of what Cambridge Analytica/Russia did with the hijacked Facebook data.
Maybe their opinion is that they don't want to vote, and you should respect that. It isn't a requirement by anyone to participate in a process they don't feel welcome in.
Also, please cut back on the vitriolic responses, please. They are completely unnecessary.
It's a god damn speculative opinion piece. There is absolutely no evidence that Biden is considering them for those appointments.
Threats against public officials presents a liability problem for the site that nobody wants. Best to use different imagery.
As opposed to what??? Four more years of Trump??The man that's downplaying an global pandemic? Give me that time freeze.
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what? this thread has consistently been anti Biden and anti Biden supporters since it was started.
Then I better not hear them whine and complain if Trump wins a second term and stacks the SC, because then I'll just laugh in their face.
Who the fuck is encouraging progressives to say home. It doesn't apply to me and it CERTAINLY doesn't apply to the poster who started this conversation who outright stated that they are focusing their PROGRESSIVE efforts on local fucking elections.
I don't know which conservative site would be down to hear any of those options.
This is completely unnecessary, again. And also incredibly telling.
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There can be 10 anti Biden posts and 1 anti Bernie post and that's the one some people will see because that's the one they have a problem with.
A Biden presidency leads to all of us living horrible lives just as surely as one where Trump won. His climate change plan, if he even implements it, is the lowest rated by a large margin compared to other people who ran in this primary. He also has no plans for the impending and catastrophic student debt crisis.
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Right, now look at how many leftists have been permanently banned and you have posters in this very thread who have justified warcrimes (Kirblar), or said outright racist bullshit (adam), or VectorPrime (anti-semitism) and so on and so forth. They get a few weeks off. Apparently calling out moderation is enough to get nuked, but racism isn't? Give me a break mate.
Well, young voters are only a week older, so they still aren't ready to vote yet.
The claim of a non vote being a vote for Trump isn't made in the case of people who never vote or never intended to vote regardless of candidate. They don't matter. The claim is specifically for people who would vote for the right democratic candidate, but not this one. That's +1 Trump.
Please post evidence. While not as good as the progressives that ran, his plan is light-years better than what Trump plans to do. I will never take anyone who says Biden is just as bad as Trump seriously.
The time freeze probably means acts of austerity to punish those at the bottom rungs of society who need our help. Don't forget that, please.
Never did I say Biden is worse or equal to the neonationalist in the White House. But he's not good either. This current climate speaks to more of what Sanders, Warren, and Yang have suggested as policies, not Biden's. His climate policy is the sort of time freeze that promises disaster, too.
Are you paying any attention to Trump right now and how he is handling the coronovirus? A 150 year old Biden would be an improvement. This false equivocation between Donald Trump and lifelong democrat is absurd.
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There's been numerous posters in this thread spreading thinly veiled racism while insinuating people who voted for Biden are low information voters and have happily propagated right wing propaganda ad nauseam because it slanders Biden but I didn't see you outraged about that.
Trying to both sides Biden and Trump when one of them is literally trying to paint the Coronavirus as a Liberal Conspiracy always makes me laugh.
In other words, there is no such thing as Bernie or Bust. It's Bernie or Trump for them.
I don't know how Biden would handle it any better. Without solving the fundamental issue that people wouldn't be able to afford self-isolation due to outrageous health care costs and lack of worker protection, the virus would still rapidly spread. I guess he wouldn't call it a hoax though.
I dont have an issue with anti bernie posts. Attacking his voters is against the thread rules however. As is off topic, meta commentary.
Thank you.
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This forum nearly ground to a halt like two or three months ago because of the mod team's questionable treatment of trans folks and related issues. And needed a meeting with the black community like a month ago. It's still fucking stickied lol.
Like 20% of the comments in this thread today are basically Dan Nainan jokes.
I would imagine a Biden presidency would have more competent and less evil people working in it.
Spearheaded by a stale gaffe machine that occasionally look confused.
Still a better option than Trump.
Spearheaded by a stale gaffe machine that occasionally look confused.
Still a better option than Trump.
Yup. There is much effort made to fight that fact when it's pointed out and made clear though.
The vast majority of this forum are libs so by sheer statistical probability, most of the mod/admin team are going to be libs too. And libs are historically not kind to leftists and the way the majority of this site, including the mods, conduct themselves does nothing to suggest this isn't the case on here too
I don't think it's worth the energy to challenge busters. Either they're come around or they won't. They're not going to suddenly decide to vote once people point out the obvious. They probably already know the obvious. You're just incvreasing your own frustration, but if you don't mind that, then have at it Iguess.
Biden's team floated potential cabinet picks today and almost all of them are former bankers. So yeah they'll be more competent I guess?
Democrats love grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory, so it wouldn't be all that surprising.
And arrogance like this will surely get nonvoters - who are often marginalised - to engage in civil society.
I'd also point out if were going off of how this forum votes, liberals aren't even the majority of posters here. Theyre a much smaller group of people. Who just get special treatment (IE like getting a leftist video critiquing biden locked) while ex mods come in and shit talk anyone who has an issue with it in a primary threa that has nothing to do with the discussion at hand.
80 to 90 percent of the forum have indicated they would prefer Sanders based on polls in these threads. That's the best data we have.
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