You mean Arizona might become a fight in the GE, that is pretty tasty
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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You mean Arizona might become a fight in the GE, that is pretty tasty
This primary is over. It's now a matter of how hard Biden will beat Bernie.
Biden strong in Arizona is great, but I think the more interesting news is Bullock entering the Montana Senate race, which immediately moved it towards the Dems - from likely R to lean R. Biden at the top pushes down-ballot races in states which were wary of Sanders and the socialism label.
The conspiracy shit is absolutely horrendous and yet so incredibly on brand for anyone who followed the 2016 election.
" I just read it somewhere ", yeah that is the fucking problem.
I hope Tuesday turns into a total wipe out and everyone can focus on the real enemy after that. I'm feeling a lot more optimistic about the election as of late.
" I just read it somewhere ", yeah that is the fucking problem.
I hope Tuesday turns into a total wipe out and everyone can focus on the real enemy after that. I'm feeling a lot more optimistic about the election as of late.
Lots of people here just can't cope. Bernie supporters not accepting the fact that Biden is going to win the ... you know, the thing. Biden supporters not accepting the fact that the videos where he struggles to finish simple sentences and thoughts have nothing to do with his childhood stutter and are not doctored.
This primary is a joke. The GE will be sad. The world is watching and laughing nervously. Both because of how ridiculous this all is, and because of how scary the prospect of 4 more years is for the international community.
Even if Biden wins, ya'll have to vote for him. Nothing would be worse than 4 more years.
This primary is a joke. The GE will be sad. The world is watching and laughing nervously. Both because of how ridiculous this all is, and because of how scary the prospect of 4 more years is for the international community.
Even if Biden wins, ya'll have to vote for him. Nothing would be worse than 4 more years.
It's not an attack, I already went over that. It's just dumb. Like the rest of his timeline post ST.
Obama era "civility" is a myth Biden Supporters tell. It never existed. Dude had to scratch and claw for every little thing he got, his only big accomplishment was gutted before it was voted on and still cost him the house and Senate, and his 2nd term was basically a lame duck term as he got nothing once Republicans had house and senate. Hell they didn't even give his SC nom a interview! And these were before Trump had completely taken over that party!
Last month was something.
Everything leading up to ST
Hillary attacking Bernie and still continues to, Pundits saying he's too old and a creep that will destroy this country and saying his ideas are extreme and repeat the same questions over and over again on how the wealthiest country on earth, could afford such idea.
Candidates except Biden and Amy all started as "Progressives" and with Bernie polling in Second, they all shifted to the center and abandon M4A for their own public option and among other things.
Democrat leaders "who in the 90s", shown to be seen as progressive, pushed for a single payers healthcare won't bother to vote for M4A and won't bother a vote for GND while voting for NAFTA and Obama's TPP.
And you have have this talk about uniting the democrat party. But all they've done is separating themselves from Bernie Sanders and ignoring the public's opinion on M4A as well as Union workers having no representation. With candidates who dropped out and endorsing Biden as a last ditch effort despite having disagreement in policies with a terrible track record. Bloomberg got what he wants, even though he spend $500 Million on this campaign, he's not going to get that wealth tax.
Now that Joe Biden is in the lead in the Democrat field, he has to convince the Republican field to vote for him. And it's not going to be pretty.
Everything leading up to ST
Hillary attacking Bernie and still continues to, Pundits saying he's too old and a creep that will destroy this country and saying his ideas are extreme and repeat the same questions over and over again on how the wealthiest country on earth, could afford such idea.
Candidates except Biden and Amy all started as "Progressives" and with Bernie polling in Second, they all shifted to the center and abandon M4A for their own public option and among other things.
Democrat leaders "who in the 90s", shown to be seen as progressive, pushed for a single payers healthcare won't bother to vote for M4A and won't bother a vote for GND while voting for NAFTA and Obama's TPP.
And you have have this talk about uniting the democrat party. But all they've done is separating themselves from Bernie Sanders and ignoring the public's opinion on M4A as well as Union workers having no representation. With candidates who dropped out and endorsing Biden as a last ditch effort despite having disagreement in policies with a terrible track record. Bloomberg got what he wants, even though he spend $500 Million on this campaign, he's not going to get that wealth tax.
Now that Joe Biden is in the lead in the Democrat field, he has to convince the Republican field to vote for him. And it's not going to be pretty.
Both siding it and then pivoting back to the conspiracy theories as if they're somehow equal...
Anyone saying Biden is worse than Trump is delusional. Just look at Trump's handling of the coronavirus.
Its still not a post worth even raising an eyebrow over. AOC is not on a pedestal, it is okay to disagree with her, even publicly. (And it is okay to disagree with Michael and even post to him about it). But lets not lump that together with any real attacks on her.
Seems like it'll be a wrap for Bernie tomorrow night according to these polls - it was fun while it lasted. Hopefully the next left-er Dem candidate can expand on his base as it didn't happen this time around. Kind of bummed but that's how it goes. I'm in a very blue state and can't vote but anyone that's in other states (especially rust belt), help Biden out before November.
For real. The way he's handling it is extremely dangerous. It's in character.
He barely even has a path even if he does well. If he loses, it's all over for him
No, because primaries are based on momentum. I mean sure, there is a mathematical way he can "win" but as you can see, when there's a clear frontrunner people will vote for them. Also if he loses MI, a blue collar state where he's supposed to be strong, it's not a good sign (e.g. same as if Biden had lost SC) that he has a base.
Like, why do people think any mention of Biden declining or not being as sharp as he used to is a "conspiracy theory"? He's always been prone to gaffes, but the frequency at which they come has increased and he doesn't have the same fire or energy that he once had. Like, you can call people saying it's dementia problematic and more of a conspiracy theory and that's fair since we don't know the details... but like, people are going to notice he's not quite as strong as he once was. He has some good days and he also has some bad ones, and people are going to notice that. It's part of talking about the electability of a candidate as much as talking about Bernie's "perceived communism" was despite actually being a center-left candidate. It's not always fair and you have to reckon with perception to some degree just like how Bernie did.
Also, this is all happening in real time I think we forget. People are allowed to express some frustrations with Biden when things are looking like he's the nominee when they've invested so heavily into another candidate.
Also, this is all happening in real time I think we forget. People are allowed to express some frustrations with Biden when things are looking like he's the nominee when they've invested so heavily into another candidate.
Its more then that. If it wasn't clear before it should be even clearer now. Anyone saying that should outright be ignored because nothing they're talking about can be or should be taken in good faith if this is the flag they're going to wave. Even a simple glance shows that the two aren't even remotely the same. To even suggest is it is to lie your ass off and people doing that here need to be called out more. It's not a matter of difference of opinion but a matter of our right lying and gaslighting.
People don't have to like Biden and are free to not even want to vote for him but people doing this need to stop being stupid.
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That CNN poll has Biden leading Trump by 10 points, btw, 53-43. For Bernie it's 52-45.
Biden is also winning "15 battleground states" (defined as states that were within 8 points in 2016) 51-45, whereas that margin shrinks to 49-46 with Bernie. I'm not a huge fan of breaking national polls down into multi-state subsets like these, but hey, they did it.
Perhaps the most interesting thing is Biden's favorability ratings have seen a bump. He's now at a 48-44 favorable spread, compared to Bernie at 42-52 and Trump at 43-54. Plenty of time to screw that up, but I've always felt if the Democratic nominee's favorability ratings are even net zero, they'll win easily. Hillary's problem is by the end of the 2016 campaign, she was almost as unpopular as Trump.
Biden is also winning "15 battleground states" (defined as states that were within 8 points in 2016) 51-45, whereas that margin shrinks to 49-46 with Bernie. I'm not a huge fan of breaking national polls down into multi-state subsets like these, but hey, they did it.
Perhaps the most interesting thing is Biden's favorability ratings have seen a bump. He's now at a 48-44 favorable spread, compared to Bernie at 42-52 and Trump at 43-54. Plenty of time to screw that up, but I've always felt if the Democratic nominee's favorability ratings are even net zero, they'll win easily. Hillary's problem is by the end of the 2016 campaign, she was almost as unpopular as Trump.
There is no path for victory for Sanders even if Sanders won MI tomorrow. As Biden is going to run up HUGE margins in the southern states voting tomorrow.
Bernie would have to win MI by like 20% and Biden to collapse in the south for this to be a ball game again. It's over.
It's because the people who do that were never left to begin with. They instead latch onto movements as a way to achieve a selfish gratification of moral superiority.
Fighting for, and adhering to the belief of reformative changes benefitting the planet and oppressed groups is thus less an act of genuine good will and more a series of transactions with an expected return of reverence/standing. It also explains why the criticism stemming from this group targeting black voters', for instance, utilizes rhetoric regarding people as 'things' rather than a collection of individuals with heterogenous motivations.
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Pretty much my thoughts at this point. Hate to see all the disrespect toward Bernie as he goes down, but if you spit in the face of an enemy you need to make sure you can finish the fight. Just going to tune out and vote in November, just like they want.
The question is when Bernie drops out now. After tomorrow? After Mar 17 primaries with FL?
I would say anything beyond the day after Mar 18th and the results are close to the current polls, then Bernie is acting in a selfish way.
The real question is when does Tulsi drop?
I would say anything beyond the day after Mar 18th and the results are close to the current polls, then Bernie is acting in a selfish way.
The real question is when does Tulsi drop?
I think Bernie should drop out if he loses MI tomorrow but he may stay for the debate - at least to push Biden on a 1:1 stage in preparation for debating Trump.
I assume he will stay in until the debates and the 3/17 states, but barring a miracle I do not see how he can justify staying in past 3/17. He could be behind 300+ delegates at that point.
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lol Bernie dropping out
He'll keep cashing those checks and spouting his stump speech until literally the morning of the convention
There's still some benefit to Bernie staying in if it convinces Biden to run a little more left and also hits Biden in some areas where he can improve as a candidate.
Of course, it's one of the top posts almost word for word over at Bernie's subreddit where Bernie (or the campaign in his name) posts
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Bernie is not rational. He'll be in until the convention.
You just said to not be talking conspiracy theories with regards to Biden's decline, and then you immediately position a Bernie one about him being in it to cash checks?
What is he going to do with all the donations he is continuing to receive?
some of that bridge building everyone is so fond of
When you see how much momentum turns things around when the entire party suddenly unites behind a lackluster candidate like Biden, it's honestly doubtful that Bernie or any other candidate would be able to put up a fight even with a better turnout. The key to how things panned out isn't South Carolina itself; it's the fact that the results in SC gave the party the excuse to create a someone credible narrative where everyone dropping out and backing Joe "One-time-winner-in-a-state-that-will-be-red-in-the-GE-anyway" is seen as completely normal... somehow. The turnout for Bernie would have to be insanely better to counterbalance the full force of the party apparatus. Or he would have needed to have an equal amount of meaningful endorsements before ST like Biden did.
Of course, the more delusional among us will think it's because Biden was strong and Bernie was weak all along because it's convenient, but what can you do. The reality is that people just wanted a signal to choose the candidate among a sea of lackluster/imperfect candidates - I'm including Bernie in this btw. Once they got that clear signal, and the playing field cleared with no signs of a counter narrative for Sanders, it was all but over. Chomsky was right all along.
Am I the only one that finds it super slimy to continue to solicit and accept donations long after your campaign is viable?
I really don't think it's going to turn out that way. Him staying in as long as he did last time will just breed resentment among his base (again).
Very selective interpretation, almost as though you didn't read the rest of that post.
More specifically, the post didn't say he was "in it" to cash cheques, only that he would continue to do so whilst spouting his stump speech.
Biden did it, and his campaign vas unviable for the past few months. So that's that.
Warren asked for more money a few days before dropping out.
lol the first sentence
Anyway, a couple of days is w/e, Bernie was still soliciting donations for months after there were literally not enough delegates available for him to win. He'd continue to tell people he had a chance to win (when he didn't), attached to fundraisers.
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