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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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It's such a weird claim. I don't like Pete Buttigieg, but I'd be a fool to deny how popular he has become.
She slipped up earlier when talking about joining Biden's ticket. Might be nothing, but I wouldn't be surprised if they cut a deal last week for her endorsement.
I hope so too, but it looks like the narrative has been set.
If anything, I think that the path to leftism won't be through electoral politics.
About about in 95? Too old still?
How about 2007?
How about in 2012 when Obama almost included cuts to social security in a deal with Republicans? Sound like something that is in line with what Biden had been supporting all his life? Sound like something a centrist would do?
Joe Biden bought into the Republican idea of cutting these programs to balance the imaginary problem of the deficit over and over and over again. Bernie did not, so yes I think if people knew this they would care.
Joe Biden in the White House (which wouldn't happen since he'd lose to Trump) would be Woodrow Wilson 2.0 but with worse policies which is exactly what the world would deserve if that were allowed to happen
How would he lose to Trump?
Voters and energized to vote for him,we have increased turn out for him
Mind you I think Biden is probably favored to win, but looking at the polling... Biden is largely within the MoE in the critical states.
It's very early on but it's not like Biden has a commanding lead of over 5 points on Trump in those 3-4 crucial states.
Better be cautiously optimistic and not lose sight of any scenario.
Congratulations. In a thread that contains some of the best examples of idiocy in all of creation, you have somehow managed to make a post that puts the others to shame.
Woodrow Wilson was a KKK supporter who even for his time was racist.
Woodrow Wilson was extremely racist — even by the standards of his time
He called black people "an ignorant and inferior race," and it gets worse.
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Saying Jo Biden is the same as him isn't just idiotic, it's insanely offensive. Posts like this should just be banned. If you can't communicate without insulting, moronic hyperbole you don't get to play with the adults.
No one gives a shit about Biden lol. They will either stay home or vote out of spite for Trump because they were always going to vote blue. Not a winning strategy.
Are you just denying reality? Biden has increased turnout in the primaries. This is a good thing heading into the GE wrt defeating Trump.
I mean, that is literally the opposite of what is happening right now. We have data and trends and polling numbers and exit polls that all show the same thing - people want to vote for Jo Biden. A lot more than they do other people.
Unless somehow the general public is *more* keen on left wing politics than the Democratic Party voting base I don't see how you can think going with the guy who is losing would be a better option?
Congratulations. In a thread that contains some of the best examples of idiocy in all of creation, you have somehow managed to make a post that puts the others to shame.
Woodrow Wilson was a KKK supporter who even for his time was racist.
Woodrow Wilson was extremely racist — even by the standards of his time
He called black people "an ignorant and inferior race," and it gets worse.
Saying Jo Biden is the same as him isn't just idiotic, it's insanely offensive.
People who spread this stuff are the same people who spread the "Biden has dementia" as they laugh at someone with a stutter and literal disability in regards to general speech as they willingly propagate GOP propaganda with a smile.
They don't care. They don't care of the people they hurt, the damage they do by minimizing the actual horrible pieces of shit in history, and they continue to paint a very illuminating picture of who they are when given the cover of anonymity.
*Citation needed.
Fact of the matter is, exit polls had him with sky high favorables in all of the states he won. And he won more votes in Viriginia than voted in the 2016 Virginia primary combined. Like, who knows what people see in him, but you can't say they don't like him.
the unity ticket we deserve
Either any Democrat was always going to beat Trump or one that energizes people for positive reasons was. If the first option is true (it isn't) then you pick the best candidate for the country (ie not Biden). If the second option is true then Biden isn't it either due to the reasons people have been saying for a year now. His history on social security, clear mental decline and generally just being Hilary 2.0 that will be even more clear in the general when most people start paying attention. Trump is just now picking up on this stuff and it will be effective in turning people away. None of us can say with absolute certainty what will happen obviously, but I feel like we've been here before. Particularly in 04 and 16. I would have said the same about anyone being able to beat Bush in 2004 and yet we lost.
I actually had the exact same experience, except it was 7th grade for me.
I don't want to be rude but just repeating the same incorrect point doesn't change reality. Jo Biden is turning out many more voters than Bernie. He is getting many people who didn't vote last time to engage in the process. He has a much broader voting coalition, which heavily featured working class people who were missing in Hillary's coalition (and now Bernies!).
So how does that translate into the general? Is Bernie somehow able to get voters to turn up then but not now? Are all these voters for Biden going to abandon him?
Hypothetical. A year ago, someone tells you the democratic nominee is going to be one of two people:
1) a candidate who brings in lots of new voters, combined the working class with minority voters, and has massive appeal in the key states democrata need to win.
2) a candidate who has a huge amount of money but whose strongest voting base is white college educated people and doesn't turnout the black vote at all.
Which do you think has the best chances for the general?
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I mostly meant in the jokey sense that he wouldn't be allowed to be seen or heard from because his mental faculties are going to be spent before he gets anywhere near a theoretical presidency, but thanks for the congratulations
But yeah Biden's record is plenty racist itself and is pretty clearly adjacent to that of right-wingers. People are free to ignore that fact at their own risk.
Did you read anything on this page other than the name Woodrow Wilson or
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Some of the hot takes in this thread are wild. Now we have people comparing Biden to Woodrow Wilson. 🤣😂🤣 Now I've seen it all.
I love these posters claiming Biden won't win because.........waaaaaaaaa!
Despite the evidence that turnout is up in the demographics we need to win.
Despite the evidence that turnout is up in the demographics we need to win.
That was all I needed to see actually. As soon as I saw that I ignored the rest of your posts. 😂 That was the wildest take I've seen in this thread so far.
Biden still scares the shit out of me vs. Trump but his primary performance is giving me something to hold onto when the anxiety kicks in
I'll be glad if/when he wins, can't exhale until then
I'll be glad if/when he wins, can't exhale until then
I think the thing that helps biden a lot in this election is a lot of people just want trump gone and the fact he can connect really well to people despite his gaffes. As long as he does not screw up to much he will win by a decent margin.
This was actually the exact moment I went from "eh, Bernie would be fine if he beat Hillary" to "lol no way"
Strange how "low information voters" is a problem that only exists when referring to people who want Biden, which strangely corresponds with black voters. Strange.
I guess y'all Sanders people are just more intelligent than everyone else.
I guess y'all Sanders people are just more intelligent than everyone else.
yeah I just don't think people have fully recognized that Trump has made this an entirely different sport. the 24 hour news cycle had already sensationalized everything and pretty much made politics through the lens of Fox, CNN, and MSNBC something akin to reality television. but there always used to exist some set of rules about how "things should be" or whatever even when shit got nasty. that doesn't apply to Trump. Trump may be a fucking moron but his ability to leverage traditional news outlets to his advantage, even if they're being critical of him, will likely be studied for years to come and is something to fear. it's like Biden is a classically trained pianist going into a match against a UFC fighter where the current status quo of the corporate media makes them much more in the vein of a sports commentator than a music connoisseur.
If Bernie really had charisma, he would have attracted a lot more politicians and voters outside of his wheelhouse to his cause.
Biden/W Bush 2020, with Ellen as Secretary of State and the Ghost of John McCain as Secretary of Defense. Robert Mueller as Attorney General.
Yup, and people wonder why black folks aren't too excited for Bernie. His supporters' claim that those of us voting for Biden aren't intelligent enough to know better or that we are being forced to vote for Biden by the "establishment" is extremely insulting. It's not just people on this forum I've heard spewing this horse shit it's also his surrogates online and on TV. It's very condescending and assumes that liberal white supporters of Bernie know more about the struggles and needs of black people than black people themselves.
I know I'm late on this thread, trying to catch up, but this is where I stand on Bernie. I think he has done a fantastic job pushing everyone to the left and standing up for progressive ideals that will inspire the forthcoming generation. He just isn't the final form of it. More like AOC and the other recently elected congresswomen will pop up with each election cycle and Furthermore Dems have never had a better grassroot political movement with local elections. His impact will be felt for the next few decades, it just isn't going to be him getting to the presidency first. It will be someone who is a bit softer around the edges and can present a more polished encompassing appeal to the movement.
I think Warren had an approach to it that will also be impactful, detail-oriented and well-rounded. This will be replicated by others and combined with Bernie's populism appeal.
I know many will take this election and primary as a failure, but I think long term, a lot of good will come of it (assuming Dems actually grab the presidency in the near term).
im black and i disagree with this.
i like how when the shoe is on the other foot when it comes to conservatives liberals like yourself suddenly understand that they are fed a constant stream a misinformation whether through main channels like fox news or any other conservative grifters but when its your own team it suddenly becomes a race issue. folks like hiding behind the narrative.
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