Other than in South Carolina, where people hadn't dropped out and he didn't struggle.
Very often, politics is not about policy.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Other than in South Carolina, where people hadn't dropped out and he didn't struggle.
Very often, politics is not about policy.
Bernie and his surrogates have decided to signal boost CTH. Pretty sure they have more than 3 followers.
He won the caucus...he still has to win the primary...that vote is in June
Even if he doesn't get the nomination, as stated before the progressive movement has grown with his candidacy and will outlast him. Furthermore, greater support for him might be translated into greater leverage over the centrist wing to push more progressive agenda into Democratic politics to get shit finally done
It's fine to say you don't know. But you're responding to people like you do by pointing at a result as the reason for...the result. So unless you experience time non-linearly, it's a bit odd.
Hindsight is always 20/20. It was risky as fuck and had it failed everyone would rightly be making articles on what a stupid strategy it was. So no, I don't think Biden ran a good primary campaign, but it was still miles better than Sanders, who literally just did a repeat of his 2016 run, right down to ignoring southern states, and still expected to somehow win. I can't wait until we get a BTS expose on Bernie's campaign just like we did for Warren's because I bet it will be an amazing tale of arrogance and incompetence from the top down.
Clyburn's endorsement might be the single most consequential political endorsement of my lifetime.
From what I see no one in here gives a shit about Biden. There are no actual Biden supporters here. There are only people who distract themselves from analyzing the candidate they're promoting, first by demonizing his primary opponent, and then by demonizing his general opponent. The support is 100% negative in nature.
So long there are forces and influences that can allow somebody like Trump to gain absolute power, it will never be over.
It is a little surprising that Sanders isn't doing anything to help a co-author of the Green New Deal. Not doing so proves to me it isn't about policy for him. It's about him.
But how many would admit to it? Biden is my choice after Warren. I'm not vocal about supporting him because this board can be pretty hostile but thankfully i learned pretty early on that ERA isn't America.
I didn't even check twitter because i know they would call that man everything but a child of god like they did with John Lewis in 2016
I'm probably the only Biden supporter that I know of on here.
It's even more likely that Markey has asked him not to endorse.
Elizabeth Warren supported Bernie's policies as a front-runner for a few minutes and the media and punditry shook her down until she relented.
That's what compromising does to you. The corporate media and the network of pundits and operatives is an obstacle someone like Joe Biden does not have to contend with as a front-runner in the primary.
No one is asking him how much it's going to cost for his healthcare plan because he already told the right people that nothing will change in his Presidency.
That's what compromising does to you. The corporate media and the network of pundits and operatives is an obstacle someone like Joe Biden does not have to contend with as a front-runner in the primary.
No one is asking him how much it's going to cost for his healthcare plan because he already told the right people that nothing will change in his Presidency.
Anybody that doesn't burn bridges and understands the importance of coalition building. Sanders' method isn't conducive.
This is why it's so disappointing. Even Yang ran a more exciting campaign than Biden and now he has to limp across the finish line against Trump.
Not compromising is also why Sanders is losing the primary two times in a row.
Yeah all but assured it's at least competitive with Biden. No chance of it flipping if Sanders is the candidate.
Bolder plans requiring more explanation and details is completely reasonable.
"I'll cross the street" requires less vetting and questioning than "I'll catapult myself to the other side".
When is anyone going to ask for Biden's plan to cure cancer in 4 years?
But it's also why every other candidate has had a platform that has made concessions leftward. A loss for a no compromise Bernie is still a win in some regard.
I'm a Biden supporter in the sense that he's been my pick from the start as having the best shot.
They've run a good campaign for about a week. Pretty much coinciding with Clyburn's endorsement.
With great power comes great responsibility.
I wish America was ready for a big progressive movement but it's not this year and probably not this decade.
No one took that seriously, and we both know it.
For example, no one screams "But why don't you care about cancer patients???" when someone says they won't vote for Biden.
Yeah, but it also confirms what I've been saying since 2016: The problem isn't Bernie's policies. The problem is Bernie. People just don't like him as a candidate and his confrontational, "no-compromise" stance probably has a lot to do with it.. We can argue till we're blue in the face whether or not that's fair, but the proof is in the election results.
Oh I know that... speaking about the dem primary this go-around specifically.
I am leftist/very liberal (whatever you want to call it), but in 2016 and 2020 I thought Bernie was unimpressive and not , to say the least. It's easy to say you he do all sorts of miraculous things and make sweeping changes, but he wouldn't have the power to actualize most of his talking points.
I am disappointed with the final nominees but will vote for either in the general election.
I disagree, but on different grounds. That whether he wins doesn't matter. Fuck Bernie, I don't care about the man that much. I care about his proposals, and if he's forcing more and more people to adopt/take his proposals seriously. That's what actually matters. The goal is to make electoral politics bend the knee to activism, even reluctantly, and slowly if necessary. Inspiring a new wave of left thinking people will have far more effect than 4 or 8 measly years in a broken office can ever have.
I am pointing to the result in an attempt to get people to take a step back and reassess.
So going into detail on why policy doesn't always matter. A few reason's:
People who have been around a while have seen a million places come and go, they have even seen them come back around again on a cycle. Ideas have value, but they aren't everything and people have become pretty cynical about political promises in general.
For many voters, first, before they even consider a person's policies, they are going to judge the person's character. This is sort of ephemeral and it is a very emotional thing. (It can also be a very bad thing because it allows bigotry and bias to drive political support.)
So that's a pretty big problem for politicians; it's a tough thing to break through that cynicism.
One of the ways you do that is by being around, being present. By making people think that you are there to listen to them rather than being there to preach at them. Biden has cultivated the image of being someone who does that. (I want to stress "image" here, the perception is what matters).
Another thing that is helpful is to have a track record of accomplishing things. This shows that you have some level of clout, some ability to deliver. Biden has also spent a lot of time making this argument. Getting an endorsement like Clyburn's is a massive boon. It carries with it a huge amount of inherited trust.
It's about making people feel seen and secure. A campaign that is able to do that is doing some things right. And none of those things really need to involve getting deep into policy.
That's not enough. There aren't enough ideologues to win an election.
Man I wonder if it would have changed the outcome at all if AOC and the squad had endorsed Warren instead of Sanders.
Sanders benefited in 2016 from a consolidation of the notHilary vote. The conditions of the eve of ST were ideal for swaying undecideds towards Biden. Most voters are undecided until the last minute and this was the best way to tip the scales in the notSanders favor.
But I get the sense that you aren't interested in a look at the factors of each race to understand the disparities and outcomes if you're replying to a post with 'so you're saying that Sanders would won if he had zero challengers'.
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Electoral politics does not get the credit for a history of leftists activism that forced it to bend the knee, this take is an ahistorical lie of liberalism recuperating its image. Things like the New Deal and the Civil Rights movement aren't victories for electoral reform and never were. Politicians were forced by movements. The "right guy" with the "right policies" was not voted into office to make these changes.
Only if the squad would have been able to convince Warren to do any sort of internal poling at all.
Warren probably wouldn't have done some of the political hedging that she tried later and got nowhere with. Would have helped her with her weaknesses among ethnic minorities too I bet. I don't think it would have changed too much with Bernie's diehard base, but she'd have seen more delegates for sure.
My mindset is that there is no good candidate left. I don't like either of them, but of the two, Biden is more likely to actually win and actually accomplish things in office.
I'm not voting in the IL primary next week because there's no fucking point, but I'll vote for whoever actually gets the nomination in November. Not like my vote matters at all anyway.
Yeah, I get all that. I was just prodding for you to give some longer explanation of your thoughts. Appreciate the post.
It would have been interesting because AOC endorsing Bernie after the heart attack followed up the biggest rally of the cycle at that point was the equivalent of Bernie eating a Senzu bean.
Imagine if AOC and the rest had endorsed Warren after the heart attack instead.
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Wat? Just because USA is full of POS people who are brain dead dosent make him a bad candidate.
I've favored Biden the whole time. Era is a far-left echo chamber, so this position, while obviously the majority elsewhere, is an outlier here.
There are many reasons to vote even if you leave the Presidential ballot blank. Your vote does matter.
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I'll say this. If your strategy doesn't involve trying to bringing new people into the fold and instead relying on the hope that people don't drop out so you can win with a plurality, you're a bad candidate. Having good policies alone doesn't make you a good candidate. Being able to win with majorities makes you a good candidate. Bringing new people into the fold makes you a good candidate. Having good policy plans makes you a good candidate.
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