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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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What is it about this particular segment of liberal cis women feminists that they make it sound as if Bernie will trigger some major traumatic episode as soon as he get's on the ballot? Like what kind of delusional thinking are those imbeciles projecting on a person who has been a great ally all his professional life?
Lindy Li is an idiot.
I had the misfortune of sharing dozens of hours of time in her presence.
Pay her negative amounts of mind.
I had the misfortune of sharing dozens of hours of time in her presence.
Pay her negative amounts of mind.
I thought this was some sorted of scripted comedy skit for a good 3 or 4 minutes
Sure, except the laws can also go through an appeals process and be effectively nullified in the courts (they're currently trying to rollback Roe v. Wade). Even if the senate and congress are slow, their massive insertion of conservative judges during Republican presidencies assures that unless stronger laws are put into place (ones with clout that people will make a stink about), the laws themselves frequently get stuck in legal battles or removed by conservative judges. Republicans are attacking democrat-made laws at both ends, and it's a very effective way to ensure progress is hard to make unless the laws themselves are difficult to challenge. Half-measures are much easier to challenge because it's easier to poke holes in them (and this is what they have been doing, and continue to do). Weak reform means strong legal challenges tear them apart.
godspeed
the fact that she would rather have trump than bernie tells it all, they hate socialism more than fascism because it threatens their class interests
As someone with a living grandfather with dementia, this is exactly how it starts. How exactly do you expect to unify this country hidden on the sidelines?
My grandmother had the same thing and I saw her decline in real time over months. What I see in Biden looks exactly like the early stages. People need to stop blowing this off and really look into it. .
Every single page now. This is getting ridiculous.
I, and numerous others, have also had family members and friends suffer from neurological issues including but not limited to dementia, alzheimers and other horrible diseases.
Encouraging people to become armchair neurologists and diagnosing someone based on a minuscule sample size of examples is incredibly shortsighted, ignorant and offensive.
What makes it even more gross is people aren't actually concerned about Biden. It seems like the motive is entirely to discredit him as a candidate because he's currently favored to beat Sanders.
This is pretty Trump-esque. Why don't you just come out and say he needs to release medical records? It's a) what he should (and will) do, and b) it's not disingenuous concern trolling.
Yep. And it's not Biden that has to come in and look at this made up line of attack, it's our members who struggle with their own issues who have to see them used as ammo to take pot shots and make godawful jokes like "Dementia Joe." That's really heartless.
I think I'm just going to start reporting those types of posts from now on.
It's not like people haven't been repeatedly told how harmful and hurtful doing this is but they really don't seem to care. Coming into this thread is an exercise in restraint and like you said, nobody should have to be subjected to it.
First of all, fuck off with that Trump-esque bullshit.
Secondly, he should release some medical records.
Thirdly, it's not concern trolling when the man can barely make a coherent sentence, tells people to not vote for him, challenges people to push up contests, and just randomly forgets shit in the middle of talking. Something up there doesn't seem right and I'm not cool with giving him a free pass because some of you really. really want to get rid of Trump as long as it's not the socialist that does it.
"People need to look into it" is as Trumpian as you can get. Don't like my complaint? Then be specific.
Is just grotesque exaggeration.
Lol what the hell?
Are you actually saying people in this thread would prefer Trump to Sanders?
Ohhhhh. Ohkay.
but whatevs.
Edit. Aware of how this has gone a little off on a tangent, so I'll just say, that clip I posted just there really shows how empathetic Biden is.
Hey I have a stupid question: What's the defense to the "all politicians lie" argument? Because obviously saying "hey that's not true at all" doesn't mean shit to the person bringing it up. This goes well beyond these lost mega conservatives... I've heard this excuse from otherwise intelligent people too many times.
10 days till Ohio. Hope Sanders stays in that long. I'd really like to vote a progressive in the primary at least.
I really doubt Sanders will drop out at all, he's probably going all the way no matter what happens.
Just gotta hope he doesn't spend his energy attacking the party again out of anger or something.
At the end of the day, it's becoming clear that a large part of Sanders rise in 2016 was predicated on an anti-Clinton vote which he is not going to be able to use to his advantage. I think the fact that there is a real chance that his margins in CA could be similar to the margins in TX speaks volumes to just how limiting Sanders actual base is.
There is no connection between how constitutional something is and how big the change is. If anything, larger change will leave more room for a challenge, not less.
Even if that weren't true though, it would just mean it's even more important to avoid Republican presidencies, no matter the alternative
On one hand, the tribalism is already too divisive and I'd like Sanders to start supporting Biden sooner rather than later if it becomes apparent he can't win. On the other, I'm not going to fault someone from staying in until the end.
I don't think the "tribalism" is that bad other than a few bad actors in real life and the usual internet hostility and toxicity that presents itself because people like using it for personal gratification.
I don't suspect we're going to see any type of massive drama take place, both because of Trump is in office and Sanders just lost so big. If Sanders continues to lose key races in places like the rust belt and loses big elsewhere, I think people will realize he shot his shot and it's just a different envrionment for him than 2016 that he wasn't able to really build on.
What do you call making an even older recent heart attack patient continue running a primary he's close to losing now?
You are not an objective party, nor are you qualified to diagnose mental decline:
The Disinformation Campaign Being Launched Against Biden | Washington Monthly
There is no data to support the allegation that he is in cognitive decline.
washingtonmonthly.com
He seems healthier than Biden. 3 separate physicians say he's above average in health for his age.
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If you look at their post history, you'll know why they came in this thread.
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Hillary stan. A lot of former Hillary stans don't like Bernie.
That's very dangerous talk, as it implicitly says "If your ideal candidate isn't Bernie, you're not welcome here". Given it's a general thread, that shit ain't right.
Edit: at least that's my read of it. If that's wrong, I apologise.
It's not dangerous talk when you can see a rough idea how they stand by looking at their record on here. I can admit I've got biases, but let's not pretend others don't.
Also, I'd appreciate it if you'd stop tone policing everything as "Trump-esque" or "dangerous" when someone points something out that you may not agree with.
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Guess we have to resort to sniping at posting histories, rather than defending our own troll posts!
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You literally came in here without posting previously to blast others while inferring that Sanders' medical documentation came from a TV quack.
Who's trolling here again?
I decided to read Letter from a Birmingham Jail today after seeing the video of that CNN panel. Here is the paragraph that includes the sentence it quoted:
"I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
Rosen's mistake is that she is trying to use MLK to show that there are different kinds of white moderates. In one of her apologies she wrote that she meant "white moderates who prefer peace over justice" as opposed to white moderates who prefer justice over peace. (On the show she quoted the sentence as "we should be worried about the silence of white moderates," which doesn't appear in the paragraph.) The key to Rosen's meaning is that her phrase lacks punctuation. But the important thing about MLK's sentence is that it has a comma in it. If it was to be written as "the white moderate who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice"--and is how Rosen wrote it--then that would imply there are other kinds of white moderates. But the comma in the letter means that the rest of the sentence that comes after it refers to "the white moderate" as a singular category. There is only one kind of white moderate, and Rosen is performing it with precision. She's bad.
The letter is incredible and you should read it anyway.
"I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."
Rosen's mistake is that she is trying to use MLK to show that there are different kinds of white moderates. In one of her apologies she wrote that she meant "white moderates who prefer peace over justice" as opposed to white moderates who prefer justice over peace. (On the show she quoted the sentence as "we should be worried about the silence of white moderates," which doesn't appear in the paragraph.) The key to Rosen's meaning is that her phrase lacks punctuation. But the important thing about MLK's sentence is that it has a comma in it. If it was to be written as "the white moderate who is more devoted to 'order' than to justice"--and is how Rosen wrote it--then that would imply there are other kinds of white moderates. But the comma in the letter means that the rest of the sentence that comes after it refers to "the white moderate" as a singular category. There is only one kind of white moderate, and Rosen is performing it with precision. She's bad.
The letter is incredible and you should read it anyway.
I have a previous posting history here, try again. Just because I don't spend hours in this thread every day doesn't mean I do not keep up with it, nor is calling out misinformation 'trolling'. Sorry you feel attacked but it is what it is.
Does anyone have something that tells me the projections for who could win the rest of the states?
FiveThirtyEigh has forecasts for the upcoming races
It's... not looking great for Sanders. I think he should just drop out after Michigan.
Kind of a relief honestly.
Mentally preparing for multiple general elections at the same time is exhausting, now we can focus on one
Mentally preparing for multiple general elections at the same time is exhausting, now we can focus on one
Yeah, armchair diagnosing should be a bannable offence honestly. It is ridiculously stupid.
I guess I'm missing a part of the picture, but I don't understand why that same energy didn't carry over and manifest as anti-Biden. Both Biden and Hillary are establishment candidates with big money interest and anti-progressive stances. Why is Biden not getting called out on his glaring shortcomings and dragged like Hillary?
I can't believe after the way Dems lost in 2016, they went and gave a pathway for a similar candidate to be the frontrunner again.
i think the only woman in america who could win the presidency is michelle obama at this stage. i think even democrats bought into the right-wing anti-clinton rhetoric of her being corrupt or shady.
plus, biden was part of a pretty much squeaky-clean obama administration. him being part of the establishment doesn't have the same ring because he doesn't fee like a politician cutting backdoor deals. so in this case 'establishment' just means normal politics, which is a damn sight better than the hellworld of trump's administration.
I'm sorry, I like Bernie but he cannot be above average in health for his age so soon after having had an MI and stent placed. The average for his age is not multiple MIs/stents. I'm pretty sure the reports just said he was in good health, not above average for his age.
Because you think people hated Clinton due to being an "establishment centrist who isn't progressive", and not the reality that Clinton is simply hated by a lot of white men and even women.
But because Clinton was so hated, people assumed it was due to the reasons you prescribe and thought that logic would carry over to Biden, which doesn't for obvious reasons.
-Focus the party on getting trump out
-get progressives in the house and senate
-come back again stronger in 2024
Run candidates in places that are easy blue seats, try to win primaries in safe blue seats so that general elections are cake walks. Build a progressive wing of the party as the "moderates" sweep the new gains in the suburbs that Trump has given us since 2016.
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