Endorsing Sanders would be politically pointless since he is not going to win, and even if he did she would not be his VP. Endorsing Biden gives her a shot at the position.
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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Tulsi goddamn Gabbard is the third last Democratic candidate standing. She's awful as a person and a candidate, but like, there's some joy in seeing that insanity continue and the fact she managed to get even 1 delegate is just amazing.
biggest failure for the bernie campaign was not explaining that not all dems don't support popular left wing policies in the party
I agree 100%. She should endorse Biden today. It shouldn't even be a question for her. But I have a feeling she won't want to harm her progressive image. Just a complete guess by me.
my (100% speculative) guess is that Warren doesn't endorse anyone
instead, she gives a speech asking her supporters to seriously consider who has the more progressive policies, who will genuinely fight for the kind of change they need, and sort of split it both ways such that she 1) begins to lay the groundwork for pushing Biden left and 2) gives Bernie a little more room to take the mantle
either that or she has a moment of extreme moral clarity and goes all out supporting Bernie
instead, she gives a speech asking her supporters to seriously consider who has the more progressive policies, who will genuinely fight for the kind of change they need, and sort of split it both ways such that she 1) begins to lay the groundwork for pushing Biden left and 2) gives Bernie a little more room to take the mantle
either that or she has a moment of extreme moral clarity and goes all out supporting Bernie
I don't think the most progressive nations are doing enough when it comes to the environment. I've seen his platform. It's barely anything.
I get what you are saying, but I don't agree with you on him having appeal to more people. At least not if they were coming from an informed position.
It's only a month from the Iowa caucus. People who are calling for one person unity are discounting the Democratic process and are telling states that vote after Super Tuesday they don't matter.
Does his Public Option extend to Employer plans? Like does he plan on forcing the Public Option to be offered as an alternative plan by Employers and have equal subsidies?
So anecdotes vs polling here:
Conclusion: People just want fucking some plan other than doing nothing.
Public option sounds like its going to be trash. Low-tier hospitals and doctors for outlandish premiums.... most people will just prefer their work insurance. Public option only works if an overwhelming amount of people choose it, which they won't.
Someone posted this the other night with no evidence backing it up, and this perston tweeting this has a link to donate to Sanders in that very tweet thread. Not exactly reliable.
The thing that would take Bernie to get the nom would be a massive blunder from Biden and Bernie showing older voters he is electable. And it all has to happen before Florida. Hell if he doesn't preform well in Michigan then it won't even matter.
Why? The only chance of what you and her are fighting for getting passed in government is if Dems win in the fall. She's pragmatic and sees the bigger picture. Splintering the party further isn't gonna do anything to help in the fall.
I know most of us didn't buy into the Ukraine scandal, but that's a real thing the public heard about for months on end and they're going to hear about even more now. That's not starting from 0 - far, far from it.
I don't disagree. I was pointing out that the GOP has a scandal where they say Joe should be investigated and possibly arrested over already. That's all I was responding to. Not that he's unique in this regard of being demonized or anything.
Sanders is going to win fuck what you heard
Now that it's one on one the Joe oppo is going to start coming fast and furious, the debates are going to be a complete joke, and the media won't be able to ignore the fact that Joe pretty obviously has some sort of dementia. So much doom and gloom in here, you think Bernie can't hit him hard enough to come back from this?
Now that it's one on one the Joe oppo is going to start coming fast and furious, the debates are going to be a complete joke, and the media won't be able to ignore the fact that Joe pretty obviously has some sort of dementia. So much doom and gloom in here, you think Bernie can't hit him hard enough to come back from this?
Hell of a theory you got there. I think Joe is at the very least competent enough to get through a few debates without doing something so outlandish that it becomes a media tag.
They probably will be at the next Trump rally. They definitely will be at the Republican convention. Some amoral entrepreneurs are probably printing up lawn signs and t-shirts as we speak.
I think everyone is working on old assumptions about how Bloomberg and Warren will split and whether or not narratives will shift.
The remaining states seem like Biden strongholds but there's such a lack of information out there since so many people have dropped.
I'm hoping that we'll get some polls this weekend to show where we're at now that we're down to two candidates.
Probabl,y but I don't think Trump is going to be able to run on this as hard as he did for Hillary and sell bumper stickers with Joe Biden for Prison on them.
I look forward to Sloppy Joe and Comrade Sanders debating each other.
Guys, if Trump wins re-election we are going to have a 7-2 Conservative Supreme Court by the time he's done. That will literally roll back progressive laws and policies that we ALREADY HAVE back decades. And it will be able to do so for decades to come.
That is all you need to vote for Biden, even if you think he's not progressive enough.
It is near impossible that Bernie somehow wins states that he was killed in by Hillary four years ago. The rest of the map is not Bernie friendly and polls are looking ugly. Have you seen Florida? If he's not viable (or only barely) in Florida...how is he going to win the nomination?
It's not that they don't matter, it's that all available information shows they strongly favor one candidate.
No, definitely not.
The race right now is actually pretty close. What's looking bleak is that Biden has a lead that appears as if it's going to expand. But upsets happen and polls have been wrong. Biden being in the place he is now is proof of that. And Bernie winning Michigan in 2016 is proof of that.
All in all, Bernie's position isn't nearly as bad as Biden's looked like a couple weeks ago. Odds are very likely that Biden will take the nomination, but it's not like Bernie has no chance or is in a position like he should drop out.
Overall turnout was up. Bernie got 150K more votes and his voter share still went down. 33.19 in 2016 to 29.9 in 2020. That's bad.
It's the exact thing that happened in the UK in 2017. The youth vote was at unprecedented numbers, but it didn't end up making a difference because every other demographic also increased by massive amounts, completely offsetting them.
A public option isn't like Medicare, no matter how much Biden's website wants you to believe it is.
I'm wondering if businesses will drop their healthcare plans with a public option available. It'll save them money to just give you the money to go on the public option or to just not offer anything altogether.
let's be real here, almost everyone who votes doesn't know shit about the policy differences in candidates within a party
people are going to vote for Biden because "oh hey I saw him standing next to Obama a lot"
This. It has to be screamed loudly and repeatedly. I get people want progressive legislature in the future...but don't kill the past because you feel Biden isn't "progressive enough"...SCOTUS would be fucked for a generation.
Yeah, I've read that, but it doesn't answer the question as to whether they would force an equal subsidy to the Employer offered plan. I don't think?
Yep!
I saw some people talk about a hypothetical future Democratic President stacking the court, as though a 7-2 stacked with ideological nut jobs won't find a way to declare that illegal before it even gets to happen.
Then there's the fact that bringing the court back from that sort of deficit would be amazingly difficult. Possession of the White House / Senate is generally cyclical, so you'd need an incredible run of good fortune in order to be able to swing the court to a liberal majority when the right has that sort of advantage.
Then there's the reality that the Democrats would have to veer considerably to the right, firstly to win elections in a country that twice opted for an extreme-right President, secondly to be able to promise tangible legislation that won't immediately get killed by an overwhelmingly hostile court. No point running on healthcare or restoring gay marriage or abortion rights - promising any would be the sign of a fundamentally unserious candidate.
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Sure, but the primary isn't over yet, so it makes sense to support the one more closely aligned. If Biden ends up winning, she can still throw her support behind him.
Biden doesn't have to go back on to the debate stage until after the next round of primaries. And the media will absolutely be able to ignore the fact that Joe is going downhill.
Bernie needs to be campaigning his ass off in Florida right now, because the race is effectively over if he's nonviable there.
You underestimate Trump's penchant for calling people he doesn't like criminals, and he still has the Burisma stuff he and the Republicans are going to clearly leverage.
What? Biden not going to the debate would absolutely be dumb. It would make him look weak and piss off a lot of people.
Yeah, Medicare kinda sucks, so copy and pasting it would be a bad idea. Which isn't even what Sanders is proposing in anything but name.
This is will all end in three weeks if Bernie does as bad as the polling suggests in Florida. They can wait a little longer for the process to play out.
Probably not. Employer based insurance is how a lot of companies retain staff despite being awful places to work.
Bernie is going to lose, no matter how many mental health slurs you throw out.
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