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Democratic Presidential Primaries & Caucuses |March OT| Last Tuesday was 1000 years ago, old news no one cares about (Discussion Guidelines in OP)
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Warren is not contributing enough to Bernie's losses to make a difference. She's basically a non-issue. And I say this AS A WARREN VOTER.
Plenty voted for Hillary with her baggage. Not enough, sure, but if Biden does just marginally better than she did in some states he can roll.
Some of you seem to think Trump won 2016 by a landslide or something.
Also, they are voting for that "pos", right now. Like literally today.
And I think in due time, this is where AOC can fall into place. As was reminded to me earlier today, she's already been in office just over a year and has shown a knack for hitting the right notes at the right time.
I mean, the "moderate" vote is currently split between Bloomer and Biden and Bloomer has been getting more votes than Warren overall. So, it's actually more of a level playing field with two spoilers from that perspective.
When she had that poll boost last year it clearly went to her head, she will do ANYTHING now to be VP, hope that Judas doesn't get it.
Again Bloomberg is second place in a lot of states Bernie won tonight and Warren's placing 3rd or worse 4th in most state. along with that, Colleged educated older suburbanites are Warren's biggest demo. That's one of Biden's two biggest key demos.
also no one over the age of thirty is disenfranchised and has limited time or resources
With the way it's going in Texas and Cali it's time to say hello to the 46th president of the United States
Please do, but realize that the DSA is not a political party and runs its members as Democrats. There's no way for a third party to gain power in this country, there are too many structural roadblocks that will not go away.
I also like how when voters turn out for Biden it's democracy working well and in the absence of any possible meddling, but voters turning out for Trump is because they're morons, and Russia, and racists, and conspiracy. If you think that dark money interests aren't controlling a segment of this primary, you're as blind as any Trump voter and deserve just as much scorn, frankly.
Somewhat. I do think some of the Bernie supporters need this G-check. He's not even out of this race and some folks are showing their whole ass. It's unnecessary. If they are participating in this primary, then they are part of this party. They should do well to understand what that means. Don't vote Biden/not-Bernie if you don't want to. Odds are, you're in a state where that is immaterial. What does matter is caucusing, holding your leaders accountable, organizing, and building out a progressive platform that cannot be ignored. The simple math here, and 2016, is that there is no progressive voting base nationwide that can demand results. Only attention and a seat at the table. You have to build on that.
The bay area is not progressive. It's a neolib hellhole.
Btw, did the folks in this topic discuss how Bernie won Oklahoma in 2016 by 10+ points and lost it by 10+ points this time? I honestly think some of Bernie's primary success was due to people not liking Hillary as opposed to folks necessarily liking Sanders.
You're wasting your time. He pulls this devil's advocate shit in the sports threads all the time too. Weeks or months later when he's proven wrong, he just doesn't respond.
This is unequivocally wrong...as has been discussed many times...Biden's platform is farther left than Obama...the idea he is conservative is pure nonsense...
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Who is the establishment exactly? I'd figure Sanders was a part of that... considering he himself has been in politics, for decades at this point. So it's clearly nothing like that.
Could it be... other Democrats? But that's strange... I thought Sanders was running for the Democratic Party's nomination for President. To call them establishment is to say Sanders himself isn't a Democrat.
Which is fine. There's nothing wrong with that.
But why, then, is he running for the Democratic Party's nomination for President? Is he one, or isn't he?
That's something really annoying about Sanders, his trying to have it both ways like that. The only way that makes sense, considering his own experience in politics, is that here "the establishment" refers to the Democratic Party itself. In which case, why isn't Sanders running as an Independent? You don't get to have it both ways.
He doesn't want to be a Democrat? That's fine. He can go it on his own then.
If he's going to run for the nomination, he and his supporters can shut the fuck up about this stupid nonsense though.
Especially since it implies that voters are basically being mind-controlled and are helpless slaves to this establishment, instead of voting their own way for their own reasons, nothing to do with the "establishment" but because that's legitimately who they wanted to vote for. That ultimately, Biden did a better job, and Sanders failed. And that's on him and nothing else.
And that goes for both the actual votes, who are from people who voted for their own reason, and the endorsements that Biden got from people like Klobuchar. Considering in modern years it's been Sanders who has been Klobuchar's coworker in the Senate, not Biden. They literally work alongside each other. Sanders had every chance at getting her nomination. If he didn't get it (and obviously he didn't), that's ultimately on him for failing to make the better case and Biden doing a better job apparently of earning her nomination. No DNC. No establishment. That's on Bernie for not doing a good enough job to convince her, and Biden for apparently doing otherwise. No matter how you slice it, Sanders had just as much of a chance, he had every resource, every ability to earn those nominations. He didn't. That's on him.
And it's ultimately irrelevant since voters are also their own people and who vote for their own reasons. Biden won them over, Sanders didn't. That's his failure and no one else's.
And on a bit of a side note, it's ironic... Just like a week ago, people were calling Mayor Pete and Klobuchar idiots for not dropping out, idiots for not seeing how they were just splitting the votes and laughing at how stupid they are and how they're just helping Sanders, and yadda yadda yadda.
They actually suddenly realize that themselves, and actually do what people were calling them stupid for not doing in the first place, and suddenly it's all "how dare they" and shock and horror at something they were previously called idiots for not doing. Spare me.
Dude, what does it take to get young people to vote? Like sub 20 percent turnout is fucking pathetic considering there's a literal fascist in the White House. Like why would any self-respecting politician give two shits about young voters and progressive polices? Young people do not vote. Period. Shit is just going to get worse and worse. God damn, young people suck as a voting Bloc.
Did Biden really earn those votes by himself?
The entire party establishment united behind him only after he finally won a state.
Looking at the Biden here in 2012 vs. the Biden we see today puts on full display the tremendous mental decline he's gone through. He went from being an aggressive, outspoken, confident, and articulate speaker to being a bumbling and incoherent sham.
I don't buy this. What obstacles did 18-29 year olds face that 30-45 year olds did not also face? I'm speaking as someone in the 18-29 range.
Do you genuinely think Bernie has a better chance reaching more voters than Biden does?
What makes you think Biden has the ability to flip a single state? Even if this high voter turnout keeps up, it's not going to flip any states that matter. Democrats will vote for Biden, Republicans will vote for Trump and the undecided will still stay hope which is a win for Trump.
Unless Biden's win here somehow gives him a ton of energy and he actually puts some sort of effort in and actually campaigns this election will fall into Trump's lap
You're always going to have a moderates vs progressive fight, if they want to hang onto the past, let them be
Two weeks for early voting. The young voters are just not reliable.
Also from Ohio and very much agree.
Although Ohio will still be very tough to win. Turnout game must be strong.
If Bernie was up against just Biden it should baffle you, but the fact of the matter is Joe got THREE major endorsements over the last 72 hours as well as momentum from South Carolina and extremely favorable media coverage from the major networks. Bernie is up against more than just Biden
this snake shit is fucking gross. She has every right to continue her run as anyone else. She is not required to bend at the knee for Bernie.
...where do you think those voters would have gone otherwise?
Yeah I get that Biden didn't campaign much during the primary but people are kidding themselves if they think he isn't going to spend days and days in the Rust Belt trying to flip Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania. I doubt the Democrats will make the same mistake in assuming that those states are somehow safe this time around and basically ignore them completely.
He was down in his home state versus last time. He took it by 51% this time. Against Hillary? 85.7%.
Agreed (for now). I can't wait to feel that warm and fuzzy feeling when I vote with my heart, not my head, like they felt today.
You're kinda' making my point for me. If you can't win a primary against the guy who lost to Dukakis, what business do you have being in a general? If Bernie's movement was half as massive as he & his supporters claim, we'd have seen it in 2016, and we'd have seen it tonight. The proof is in the pudding. It's just not there.
On the plus side- Bernie has managed to drag the establishment platform significantly left over the last four years. He should be applauded for that. But he's just not a strong candidate nationally.
You have every right to do that. Just understand that you will not have much push or pull in politics for a long time.
Winning elections requires coalitions. Without young voters actually showing up and voting 100% Progressives(fiscal and socially) are a minority of the country. You would basically split the country into the left the center and the right. While the right is already at critical mass in te GOP. The GOP would basically wipe out those two theoretical opponents and we would be back at progressives making a coalition with Centrists to beat the right.
Black voters turned up for Biden en masse and they're more disenfranchsied than anyone. Hispanics turned up and they're disenfranchised. Young people did not show up. They had early voting and otherwise. Don't make excuses for it, they're just not engaged as a whole.
Hello common sense post.
Though Biden winning the nom will be my exit from the Democratic Party.
Bernie has more substance than not Trump, so yes.
To be completely fair, to see how completely split the DNC is and how weak and pathetic the Democratic party is overall, I don't think any of the candidates they fielded stand a chance either way
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